Nah. At the end of the day, I'm just so glad Larrivée has none of this kind of thing. :whistling:
http://www.12fret.com/new/Taylor_Baby%20Swift_pg.html
Have you seen the Claire 2 model from Martin? They had one at a local shop - pink? and over 5 g's?
I mean, its still a Martin, but - really?
I agree - I am very glad that Larrivee doesn't do these things -
Tad
wish I hadn't seen that.
"I am very glad that Larrivee doesn't do these things"
If I had a better grasp of photshop, I would dummy something up just to hear the collective gasp here, but I don't. :humour:
I'll give you a :+1: on that. And let's not forget the
Felix http://www.martinguitar.com/guitars/choosing/guitars.php?p=m&m=FeLiX%20III
Seafoam http://www.martinguitar.com/guitars/choosing/guitars.php?p=m&m=OMCE%20Seafoam%20Green
models from Martin. The special issues are lucrative for Martin but knowing when to say when would come in handy.
Quote from: Queequeg on December 24, 2009, 11:46:06 AM
wish I hadn't seen that.
"I am very glad that Larrivee doesn't do these things"
If I had a better grasp of photshop, I would dummy something up just to hear the collective gasp here, but I don't. :humour:
Oh, let's find a way! We'll have it read ... Taylor Goes Larrivée or something like that? Computer people? Photoshoppers? Can we get Ms. Swift playing a C-10 with some fancy inlay or something nifty like that?
I did like the little Felix the Cat Martin though. Almost bought one.
"I am very glad that Larrivee doesn't do these things"
Give 'em time . . .
"Maybe If I Was a 12 Year Old Girl? "
And just who do you think they're marketing this to?
12 year old girls who are fans of Taylor Swift ( they are legion ) are the target audience. TAYLOR Swift & TAYLOR guitars is a marketing match made in heaven. All be it rather cheesy one.
Or a 12 year old girl with 6 grand to spare -
http://www.elderly.com/new_instruments/items/CLAIRE2.htm
Tad
I don't care how it starts if the result is a lifelong relationship with music.
Quote from: ducktrapper on December 24, 2009, 11:11:28 AM
Nah. At the end of the day, I'm just so glad Larrivée has none of this kind of thing. :whistling:
http://www.12fret.com/new/Taylor_Baby%20Swift_pg.html
Quote from: gtrplayer on December 24, 2009, 11:54:17 AM
I'll give you a :+1: on that. And let's not forget the
Felix http://www.martinguitar.com/guitars/choosing/guitars.php?p=m&m=FeLiX%20III
Seafoam http://www.martinguitar.com/guitars/choosing/guitars.php?p=m&m=OMCE%20Seafoam%20Green
models from Martin. The special issues are lucrative for Martin but knowing when to say when would come in handy.
Quote from: tadol on December 24, 2009, 06:47:34 PM
Or a 12 year old girl with 6 grand to spare -
http://www.elderly.com/new_instruments/items/CLAIRE2.htm
Tad
There's only a few things going for us: 1) they're built in limited quantities, and 2) they're wood and can be used for fuel.
:wink:
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Quote from: ST on December 24, 2009, 09:42:26 PM
I don't care how it starts if the result is a lifelong relationship with music.
I agree, but I'm still glad no brand I own stoops to that level AND from my experience someone who wants to play guitar will play one. If it's more about what the guitar looks like, or that it's got cheezy autograph and doodlings of thier hero on it, they probably won't stick with it.
People pick up guitars for different reasons and stay with it for different reasons. If a certain guitar causes someone to pick one up who otherwise might not and if by chance this person sticks with it then all is good in my books. Now the company is hoping for brand identification so all can be good in their books. Win win for everyone if you ask me.
Quote from: Roman on December 24, 2009, 01:05:36 PM
"I am very glad that Larrivee doesn't do these things"
Give 'em time . . .
"Maybe If I Was a 12 Year Old Girl? "
And just who do you think they're marketing this to?
I don't think it'll happen soon although some people feel the same way about unicorns and jesters and such and why did you think I titled it so? It was meant to amuse. My sincere apologies to 12 year old girls everywhere. My step granddaughter, seven, just got a pink First Act electric guitar and she glued flowers and stuff all over it. Very cute. I'm still glad Larrivée doesn't go there ... yet.
This is the exact model I bought for my daughter. She is 11 and loves Taylor Swift. I think it is pretty clever marketing on Taylor's part. They may get girls playing guitar and if they stick with it, they may upgrade to the fancy Koa models that Ms. Swift plays. For $299 it is same price as regular Baby Taylor. It is sweet sounding with nice balance though not a lot of depth, and it is so easy to play! I pick it up all the time and fiddle around with it. Honestly, you don't even notice the design on the front after awhile. Now if it was pink, it might be a different story!
Could be the first guitar ever really marketed to tween girls. Sure, why not -- I bet they'll sell lots.
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At the end of the day, I'm just so glad Larrivée has none of this kind of thing. :whistling:
http://www.12fret.com/new/Taylor_Baby%20Swift_pg.html
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At the end of the day, whatever will SELL guitars is likely to be done by about all the manufacturers. It is called staying in business!
Quote from: DJ in FL on December 26, 2009, 08:15:34 PM
At the end of the day, whatever will SELL guitars is likely to be done by about all the manufacturers. It is called staying in business!
Yes, probably so with a lot of the ones that consider themselves manufactures.
There a lot of guitar builders out there that wouldn't stoop to that crap though.
Quote from: DJ in FL on December 26, 2009, 08:15:34 PM
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At the end of the day, I'm just so glad Larrivée has none of this kind of thing. :whistling:
http://www.12fret.com/new/Taylor_Baby%20Swift_pg.html
At the end of the day, whatever will SELL guitars is likely to be done by about all the manufacturers. It is called staying in business!
You, apparently have a low opinion of all things and all humans. I salute JCL for his integrity and stick to-itness. Larrivée guitars is a family run operation. I'm actually happy Taylor Swift doesn't play a sparkly Larrivée. I couldn't care less if only players no one's ever heard of, played Larrivées. Sorry Jean, Matthew and family. If as soon as he gets famous, Brad Paisley switches to McPherson and Martins, that's his loss. It all comes down to da funny French name. Oops sorry again but I know. I've had one all my life. C'est domage. Americans can't pronounce Favre. They struggle with Gagne. Call them, let's say, Matthew Guitars and they fly off the walls in the States. I've always said so.
My 16 year old daughter say she wouldnt be caught dead with this guitar -
i really think kids today are smarter than that - having a Taylor swift model is one thing , but to silk screen her name on a guitar right across the front is really lame . Think about it - could you imagine playing out with that guitar -unless it was a comedy act -who would do it ? i know its for some kid bedroom player -and as stupid as this sounds -in twenty years from now this model will probably bring the real bucks from collectors .
Quote from: Tony Burns on January 03, 2010, 07:34:13 PM
My 16 year old daughter say she wouldnt be caught dead with this guitar -
I figure it's for younger girls. 10-14. A little older like your daughter and girls will want something more serious.
Quote from: ducktrapper on December 24, 2009, 11:11:28 AM
Nah. At the end of the day, I'm just so glad Larrivée has none of this kind of thing. :whistling:
http://www.12fret.com/new/Taylor_Baby%20Swift_pg.html
Duck, I thought you were a 12 year old girl, and all this ducktrapper stuff was a macho pseudonym to fool us. :arrow
My young son has a spongebob squarepants guitar. It got him strumming. Can't be a bad thing. Makes people laugh when you play the intro to Stairway to Heaven on it too!
Quote from: jojo123 on December 26, 2009, 03:31:13 PM
This is the exact model I bought for my daughter. She is 11 and loves Taylor Swift. I think it is pretty clever marketing on Taylor's part. They may get girls playing guitar and if they stick with it, they may upgrade to the fancy Koa models that Ms. Swift plays. For $299 it is same price as regular Baby Taylor. It is sweet sounding with nice balance though not a lot of depth, and it is so easy to play! I pick it up all the time and fiddle around with it. Honestly, you don't even notice the design on the front after awhile. Now if it was pink, it might be a different story!
When I dropped my 12 string off to have the tuners replaced they had one of these on the front of the rack so I picked it up and ran through a couple of tunes. It is a really nice guitar, sounds great for a travel size Taylor. Seriously these are nice guitars if you can get past the graphics. I was really pleased with the sound and the action, like all signature guitars I wouldn't want Taylor Swift across the front of any guitar but then again I have not considered any signature appropriate for me. If there is a budding young woman who likes the looks, she could do a whole lot worse than one of these.
Quote from: Michael T on January 04, 2010, 11:04:55 AM
When I dropped my 12 string off to have the tuners replaced they had one of these on the front of the rack so I picked it up and ran through a couple of tunes. It is a really nice guitar, sounds great for a travel size Taylor. Seriously these are nice guitars if you can get past the graphics. I was really pleased with the sound and the action, like all signature guitars I wouldn't want Taylor Swift across the front of any guitar but then again I have not considered any signature appropriate for me. If there is a budding young woman who likes the looks, she could do a whole lot worse than one of these.
If it's a nice guitar, it's even worse, in my opinion. She's bound to grow out of it and then what? Hope for a Taylor Swift revival when you try to resell? Heck, what ever happened to the enterprising young woman who would just pull out a sharpie and scrawl 'Emmylou' on her big Gibson? :laughin:
If a kid has one of these and gets tired of the top they could send it to unclrob and have him belt sand it.
Quote from: Mr_LV19E on January 04, 2010, 02:47:05 PM
If a kid has one of these and gets tired of the top they could send it to unclrob and have him belt sand it.
thereby bringing joy and satisfaction to two people for the price of one!!
Quote from: Mr_LV19E on January 04, 2010, 02:47:05 PM
If a kid has one of these and gets tired of the top they could send it to unclrob and have him belt sand it.
:+1: :+1: :+1: :+1:
I've been biting my tounge on this one :cop: I was about to give in but now you've given me a reprieve, thanks. That would be about 24 grit course industrial grade paper there Rob. :bgrin:
Duck,
Gotta agree with you there, but Taylor Swift appears to be a positive influence on young women and if it gets more girls playing, well I don't think it's all bad then.
Quote from: lyric_girl on January 11, 2010, 07:21:57 PM
Duck,
Gotta agree with you there, but Taylor Swift appears to be a positive influence on young women and if it gets more girls playing, well I don't think it's all bad then.
Oh it's not TS that I have a problem with and I doubt it will accomplish that but I suppose it's possible. Why do I have the feeling that this is the guitar your dad buys you because he really doesn't know any better? Poor kid.
Guys I think JOJO123 has a valid point. Taylors are great guitars, but I dont think anyone would argue that we prefer Larrivees. Taylors have a very successful marketing strategy. You can draw parallels to the motorcycle industry (or could I am out of the game) The small bikes that learners used to buy were fitted with all sorts of bits and pieces, quite often they were sold at a very low profit margin, the idea was to entice the punters and instill brand loyalty. Could this be where Taylors are coming from. I seem to remember JCL quoted as saying he makes guitars for musicians and who can argue, he makes some of the finest instruments on the planet. I dont think you can question the integrity of JCL and his commitment to providing quality instruments to us first and foremost. As I remeber it was JCL who re introduced the cut away we all seem to take for granted these days and that was in response to the needs of a player. Dont seem to hear much about that. And why is the truss rod adjuster where it is? All thought out properly, good for JCL I like his style
PS sorry for the long absence family issues
John
Yes I'm sure it's just a super instrument and it merely has Taylor Swift scrawled across the front. And at no extra cost from the run of the mill baby T? How do they do it?
My conclusion is that some people take everything too seriously. If we can't laugh at this guitar, at least on this forum, life becomes awfully dull.
Quote from: lyric_girl on January 11, 2010, 07:21:57 PM
Duck,
Gotta agree with you there, but Taylor Swift appears to be a positive influence on young women and if it gets more girls playing, well I don't think it's all bad then.
Not so sure about that. Part of the message to girls is "ugly girls need not apply". Sounds like she's a hard worker and has some degree of talent but after watching a couple of live video's
my perhaps bent conclusion was that she's ok but not great. Who know's what machines they are applying to her voice, she can hire top notch musicians and has top PR people. But I seriously doubt she would have made it that big without her young fresh looks.
Will we ever see a woman who looks like Janis Joplin, make it big again? Allison Krouse isn't ugly, but when she established herself she was rather plain looking. Her voice is on a completely different level and doing megacircles around Taylor Swift. She made it because of her talent on it's own merit. To me THAT is a positive influence on girls a lot more than yet another good looker raised above thier deserved level by the music factory.
Quote from: John R on January 11, 2010, 08:17:35 PM
Guys I think JOJO123 has a valid point. Taylors are great guitars, but I dont think anyone would argue that we prefer Larrivees. Taylors have a very successful marketing strategy. You can draw parallels to the motorcycle industry (or could I am out of the game) The small bikes that learners used to buy were fitted with all sorts of bits and pieces, quite often they were sold at a very low profit margin, the idea was to entice the punters and instill brand loyalty. Could this be where Taylors are coming from. I seem to remember JCL quoted as saying he makes guitars for musicians and who can argue, he makes some of the finest instruments on the planet. I dont think you can question the integrity of JCL and his commitment to providing quality instruments to us first and foremost. As I remeber it was JCL who re introduced the cut away we all seem to take for granted these days and that was in response to the needs of a player. Dont seem to hear much about that. And why is the truss rod adjuster where it is? All thought out properly, good for JCL I like his style
PS sorry for the long absence family issues
John
Well said. Gotta say Taylor Swift wouldn't know her if I fell over her BUT if her actions get someone boy or girl, ugly or pretty, old or young playin music then :+1: in my eyes
Quote from: JOYCEfromNS on January 12, 2010, 07:58:25 AM
Well said. Gotta say Taylor Swift wouldn't know her if I fell over her BUT if her actions get someone boy or girl, ugly or pretty, old or young playin music then :+1: in my eyes
If some one does it without having the the looks and promotes success on talent alone, even better.
How many women have voice like this, but are never heard because of looks? She impresses me way more than Taylor Swift.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp0IWv8QZY
Quote from: flatlander on January 12, 2010, 08:17:58 AM
If some one does it without having the the looks and promotes success on talent alone, even better.
How many women have voice like this, but are never heard because of looks? She impresses me way more than Taylor Swift.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lp0IWv8QZY
Agreed BUT lets not penalize SWIFT because she is young & pretty. She is what she is. We are attracted to beauty in all walks of life from musicians, actors and politicians. Let's face it, it's a fact of life in this society. Don't think barrack OBAMA or sean CONNERY would be where they are if they weren't blessed with good looks tho both talented in their fields as surely SWIFT is as well. Yes in all likelihood there are others with less beauty just as able in there Fields but not as succesful as one's we can mention, however the Masses rule. :rolleye:
I don't want to penalize her because of looks. She certainly hasn't been penalized because of looks. It's just it's a shame that people without the looks get penalized because of the image related
factors that Swift represents to me.
Quote from: flatlander on January 12, 2010, 09:20:48 AM
I don't want to penalize her because of looks. She certainly hasn't been penalized because of looks. It's just it's a shame that people without the looks get penalized because of the image related
factors that Swift represents to me.
Agreed
This is not about Taylor Swift, who is obviously lovely and talented (and tall), it's about a butt ugly, stupid rip off, marketing device. Not blame, just general scoffery. Well deserved scoffery, in my opinion, but what do I know, I've only been involved with guitars for, gulp, 45 years? Say it ain't so! :wacko: :wink: :beer
Bet you have seen many fine guitars in 45 years!!! Guess you don't think this is one :humour:
There are a few manufacturers that have the Marketing part of their Business Plan firing on all cylinders. I just hope Larrivee can survive without it as they don't seem to be following suit. Good or bad I don't know!!!!
Quote from: JOYCEfromNS on January 12, 2010, 10:06:14 AM
Bet you have seen many fine guitars in 45 years!!! Guess you don't think this is one :humour:
There are a few manufacturers that have the Marketing part of their Business Plan firing on all cylinders. I just hope Larrivee can survive without it as they don't seem to be following suit. Good or bad I don't know!!!!
I, for one, have huge respect for he who marches to a different drum. It's what I've loved about these guitars since 1975, when I first encountered one. Maybe you'd have to be a guitar player from that era to realize how different and special an L was (and is). There were Martins, Gibsons and maybe a few Guilds. JCL revolutionized this industry. Bob Taylor merely doodled on it. :winkin:
Quote from: ducktrapper on January 12, 2010, 10:59:22 AM
I, for one, have huge respect for he who marches to a different drum. It's what I've loved about these guitars since 1975, when I first encountered one. Maybe you'd have to be a guitar player from that era to realize how different and special an L was (and is). There were Martins, Gibsons and maybe a few Guilds. JCL revolutionized this industry. Bob Taylor merely doodled on it. :winkin:
:+1: :+1: :+1: We agree on that one. They were different and not just in looks. The bracing was a big deal when they hit the scene too. Not quickly accepted in states for sure.
I meant to say ... and except for the odd OM, mostly all dreads. The L? It looked like a classical guitar on steroids. Strange shape. Funny rosette. Fabulous wood! I mean always loved guitars but I never actually had GAS until I played my L0? I HAD TO HAVE THAT GUITAR!
Gee, I'm almost sorry I said anything. However, in case you guys don't know, Mr. Bob Taylor absolutely loves Ms. Swift so I was NOT all all surprised to see the Taylor Swift Baby Taylor.
Quote from: lyric_girl on January 13, 2010, 09:26:32 PM
Gee, I'm almost sorry I said anything. However, in case you guys don't know, Mr. Bob Taylor absolutely loves Ms. Swift so I was NOT all all surprised to see the Taylor Swift Baby Taylor.
Please don't be silenced by a cynical old man!
(http://www.dreamstime.com/girl-playing-tuba-thumb8059425.jpg)
As much as some are trying to make this about Taylor Swift, it's merely about a butt ugly marketing device on a cheap little guitar that Taylor Swift likeley wouldn't play unless her life depended on it. I have nothing but good wishes for Ms. Swift and her endeavours, however.
This cynical old man just finds a particular cheeze factor that's brought on by who's name it is scribbled on it.
But no I wouldn't want anybody's else's name on my guitar either. I saw this guy win a nice Martin at a Bluegrass festival and immiediately had "The Bluegrass Band" sign it in big writing across the top. So Tony Rice, Doyle Lawson, JD Crowe, Bobby Hicks, not bad names I suppose, but I wouldn't want them scribbling on my guitar either.
Quote from: flatlander on January 14, 2010, 08:18:23 AM
This cynical old man just finds a particular cheeze factor that's brought on by who's name it is scribbled on it.
But no I wouldn't want anybody's else's name on my guitar either. I saw this guy win a nice Martin at a Bluegrass festival and immiediately had "The Bluegrass Band" sign it in big writing across the top. So Tony Rice, Doyle Lawson, JD Crowe, Bobby Hicks, not bad names I suppose, but I wouldn't want them scribbling on my guitar either.
On the other hand, someone with the initials JD carved them into the top of my Yamaha FG 180, not once, but twice! I used to darn that John Denver but maybe, upon further consideration, it was that JD Crowe. I'm sensing a pattern. :winkin:
Quote from: ducktrapper on January 14, 2010, 08:36:13 AM
On the other hand, someone with the initials JD carved them into the top of my Yamaha FG 180, not once, but twice! I used to darn that John Denver but maybe, upon further consideration, it was that JD Crowe. I'm sensing a pattern. :winkin:
Or... J D Souther, perhaps Jack Daniels. Whatever the case, I wouldn't want my own initials carved into my guitar let alone someone else's; I don't care how famous they are.
DAVE
Quote from: ncognito on January 14, 2010, 09:25:18 AM
Or... J D Souther, perhaps Jack Daniels. Whatever the case, I wouldn't wnat my own initials carved into my guitar let alone someone else's; I don't care how famous they are.
DAVE
Whoever it was, he carved it twice! I certainly expect that Jack Daniels was involved. :laughin:
This thread has really gone off in a lot of interesting directions. I am checking back in to add another 2 cents. :smile:
I own one of these future collectibles (well my daughter does). However, as I should have noted before, I agree with Ducktrapper, that I am glad that Larrivee doesn't do this sort of thing. There is something about the purity and integrity of their approach that is very appealing. I understand that other makers are looking at profit margins, volumes, etc. and that is OK too; although I must admit that when I picked up a $1000 Martin at my local GC the other day, I was somewhat dismayed when I saw on the label that the side and back was mahogany pattern high pressure laminate.
Not to digress, I still maintain that the Baby Taylor Taylor Swift is reasonable purchase for 11 year old girl, and if I am reading it right I think the title of this thread alludes to that as well. Now, I wouldn't buy guitar for an 11 year old with much consideration of resale value (it is already dinged actually). However, great point in this thread is that she might soon lose interest in Taylor Swift. Of course I should have realized this but trying to make daughter happy isn't always rational process. She is still playing the Baby Taylor, but her new favorite is Justin Bieber, from Canada, who plays Larrivees! I will not inform my daughter of this however so she won't want to play my P-03. :smile: Best regards.
jojo you are very fortunate!!!!
JoJo - Good for you and good for her! I'm glad you see that this was all, well mostly, meant in jest. Play on!
We have the freedom to choose whoever we want to admire even kids. For me, Justin Bieber is one of the most admirable teen stars today because of his great talents in music. He can actually steal the attention of the younger crowd once his music is being played.
I guess you'd be a 12 1/2 year old girl now. Better hurry.