Hi Everyone,
I'm building a wiki page for the Forum Guitars. You can find it here:
Larrivée Forum Guitars (http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/index.php?title=Larriv%C3%A9e_Forum_Guitars)
I started this because there are SO many places to look to find the details it seemed easier to have everything in one place.
It contains details that I've gathered from here and there, but mainly here. What I could not find were general notes about how each Forum guitar (I, II, III, IV) got started. If you know, or would like to write a little story about that I'd really appreciate it if you would go to the wiki page and add the details that you know. I am using the same software as wikipedia so if you have ever edited a page there, then you can make changes to the Larrivée Forum Guitars (http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/index.php?title=Larriv%C3%A9e_Forum_Guitars) wiki page. If you don't want to do that, you can post here with anything you think I should add to the wiki page and I'll take care of the details.
You will find pictures from this forum and links back to the places where I found the pictures. If anyone has concerns about their photos being used this way - please let me know.
In case you are wondering - my site is non-commercial, not-for-profit and basically exists to make it easier for people to find things.
Thank you for any help and information that you can offer. I'm hoping this page will serve others who want to learn about these very special guitars.
Cool ST! I looks good. More free marketing for Larrivee too, because the forum members take the best pictures. Lynda's FIII at the bottom is RW and IS byt the way, not Hog.
Thanks Ben,
Quote from: BenF on December 19, 2009, 05:22:54 PM
Cool ST! I looks good. More free marketing for Larrivee too, because the forum members take the best pictures. Lynda's FIII at the bottom is RW and IS byt the way, not Hog.
I corrected that caption.
I really appreciate the input. Thanks again.
That looks great so far - thanks for setting it up! It might be interesting to find out (from Jim Holler) how many guitars are in the first order, since the 12-15 deadline has passed and those orders have closed.
I was going to add one edit, but you have to log in, and I'm lazy...but for the Forum I it might be helpful to some non-guitarists to know that 'OM' stands for 'Orchestra Model'.
Just a thought...but really nice job - reflects well on Larrivee and this forum! :thumb
Hi Mikeymac,
Quote from: Mikeymac on December 19, 2009, 05:45:29 PM
That looks great so far - thanks for setting it up! It might be interesting to find out (from Jim Holler) how many guitars are in the first order, since the 12-15 deadline has passed and those orders have closed.
I was going to add one edit, but you have to log in, and I'm lazy...but for the Forum I it might be helpful to some non-guitarists to know that 'OM' stands for 'Orchestra Model'.
Just a thought...but really nice job - reflects well on Larrivee and this forum! :thumb
Thanks for the suggestion. I now have links for the body styles (e.g. OM-Orchestra Model (http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/index.php?title=Larriv%C3%A9e_Guitars#OM_-_Orchestra_Model)) and the link goes to detailed specifications of the sizes of the guitars.
To all -
If OM = Orchestra Model (http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/index.php?title=Larriv%C3%A9e_Guitars#OM_-_Orchestra_Model)
What is OO ?
What is OOO?
Quote from: ST on December 19, 2009, 06:06:19 PM
To all -
If OM =Orchestra Model
What is OO ?
What is OOO?
I'm sure someone can add the true meaning BUT in my head I always assumed the OOO is parlor size and the OO is bigger than a parlor and smaller than an OM in real simple terms. A minor point on the Forum IV you have the 2nd run dated 2009 and not 2010. Not sure if this is any help as I'm sure you likely aware of this basic simple definition
Hi JOYCEfromNS,
Thanks for the explanation - I'm just wondering if "OO" or "OOO" are acronyms.
Quote from: JOYCEfromNS on December 19, 2009, 06:22:39 PM
I'm sure someone can add the true meaning BUT in my head I always assumed the OOO is parlor size and the OO is bigger than a parlor and smaller than an OM in real simple terms. A minor point on the Forum IV you have the 2nd run dated 2009 and not 2010. Not sure if this is any help as I'm sure you likely aware of this basic simple definition
Thanks for spotting that thing with the dates. Another example of me being incapable of proofreading my own stuff.
Found this summary of Martin sizes if it's the same as Larrivee it kinda makes my original post wrongL
Here's a list of the body sizes (because before October 1930 the body style and size was not stamped into the neck block above the serial number, so the body size and style number are hard to determine on pre 10/30 models):
Size Frets Width Depth Length Year Introduced/Notes
---- ----- ----- ----- ------ ---------------------
O 12 13 1/2 4 3/16 19 1/8 1852
O 14 13 1/2 4 1/4 18 3/8 1934 (first year for 14 frets)
OO 12 14 1/8 4 1/16 19 5/8 1877
OO 14 14 5/16 4 1/8 18 7/8 1934 (first year for 14 frets)
OOO 12 15 4 1/16 20 7/16 1902
OOO 14 15 4 1/8 19 3/8 1934 (first year for 14 frets)
OM 14 15 4 1/8 19 3/8 1929 (discontinued 1934)
D 14 15 5/8 4 7/8 20 1934
I don't believe they are acronyms. The 00 pronounced "double o" as in the letter o not zero. same thin g for the o and the triple o. etc
Quote from: Mr_LV19E on December 19, 2009, 07:22:25 PM
The 00 pronounced "double o" as in the letter o not zero.
In the Martin world (the guys who developed many of these body sizes...its pronounced...double-ought or triple-ought...the old fashioned way of saying "0" (oh)
So like double out seven?
Never mind.
Thanks for the input folks. I won't worry about it. I was just trying to be consistent for this
Body Styles section of my Larrivée wiki page (http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/index.php?title=Larriv%C3%A9e#Body_Styles).
Quote from: ST on December 19, 2009, 04:59:43 PM
Hi Everyone,
I'm building a wiki page for the Forum Guitars. You can find it here:
Sure was surprised to look at the page and see my photographs on the front page....
:?
Hi Dotneck,
Quote from: Dotneck on December 19, 2009, 11:21:54 PM
Sure was surprised to look at the page and see my photographs on the front page....
:?
If that's a problem, I can certainly remove the pictures. The history of the Forum I guitars goes back a ways and I couldn't find any pictures, but you recently mentioned that there were pictures of a Forum I in the for sale section.
As I mentioned in the lead post, there are links from all the images back to the source: this forum. And if anyone has concerns about the pictures I'll remove them but I hope you will let me keep them there.
This is basically an attempt to have a simple reference page for all the Forum guitars, as a service for Larrivée owners and visitors to this forum.
Are we okay?
Excellent work ST - I think getting all this data together on a wiki page is going to be of great benefit to alot of people in the future.
I can't see anything that I can really add to it at this point -
Tad
ST
Maybe a brief history of JCL as a Luthier would be appropriate, or a paragraph or so with a link to the Larrivee site.
Also the F-III was an out of production LS, so an explanation of the LS size would benefit the Martin,Taylor,Gibson owners who may still have never heard of Larrivee.
The Martin 00,000 and OM sizes are generally smaller than Larrivee sizes. Even the LSV-11 and other Larrivee models "grew" in size. So we requested that the F-III LS-03 be made to the original Larrivee specs.
There is a F-III specs. thread that Randy posted as the order thread was going on.
As well as the Facebook "build"with pictures and details added by John Larrivee Jr.
Also Photomatt made a high quality "factory tour"album. I'm not sure about linking that one, but it is very high in quality.
We are hoping John Jr. may do another Facebook build thread with the F-IV.
Hi Danny,
Thanks!
I have another wiki page for general Larrivée information Larrivée Guitars (http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/index.php?title=Larriv%C3%A9e_Guitars). This includes details of the Larrivée Body Styles (http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/index.php?title=Larriv%C3%A9e_Guitars#Body_Styles).
The Forum Guitars wiki page (http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/index.php?title=Larriv%C3%A9e_Forum_Guitars) is automatically included in the Larrivée Guitars (http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/index.php?title=Larriv%C3%A9e_Guitars) page.
Quote from: dependan on December 20, 2009, 07:51:08 AM
ST
Maybe a brief history of JCL as a Luthier would be appropriate, or a paragraph or so with a link to the Larrivee site.
There are links to information about JCL in the Larrivée Guitars (http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/index.php?title=Larriv%C3%A9e_Guitars) page.
Quote
Also the F-III was an out of production LS, so an explanation of the LS size would benefit the Martin,Taylor,Gibson owners who may still have never heard of Larrivee.
In the specifications for the Forum III there is a link to the LS - Larrivée Small Body specifications (http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/index.php?title=Larriv%C3%A9e_Guitars#LS_-_Larriv.C3.A9e_Small_Body)
Quote
The Martin 00,000 and OM sizes are generally smaller than Larrivee sizes. Even the LSV-11 and other Larrivee models "grew" in size. So we requested that the F-III LS-03 be made to the original Larrivee specs.
The general Larrivée information Larrivée Guitars (http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/index.php?title=Larriv%C3%A9e_Guitars) includes details of the Larrivée Body Styles (http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/index.php?title=Larriv%C3%A9e_Guitars#Body_Styles).
Quote
There is a F-III specs. thread that Randy posted as the order thread was going on.
I didn't notice this one while I was hunting around today. Can you help me find it?
Quote
As well as the Facebook "build"with pictures and details added by John Larrivee Jr.
I found this and have added links to these pages - thanks!
Quote
Also Photomatt made a high quality "factory tour"album. I'm not sure about linking that one, but it is very high in quality.
Couldn't find this one but I did find the Forum thread that was dedicated to pictures of the tour (http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=26087.0) and I have added a link to that.
Quote
We are hoping John Jr. may do another Facebook build thread with the F-IV.
If he does I'll add a link to it in the wiki page.
Thanks for all the suggestions Danny
To all
The reason I put this in a wiki page is so that anyone can contribute to the page.
Update - I found Photomat's online album and have added link to it.
Here is a link to the wiki page section that has
Forum III Discussions and Links (http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/index.php?title=Larriv%C3%A9e_Forum_Guitars#Discussions_.26_Links_3)
edit: updated link
Here is a link to a post where I copied Randy's original post. (couldn't find Randy's)
http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=28458.msg260465#msg260465
Thanks Danny
Quote from: dependan on December 20, 2009, 08:42:56 AM
Here is a link to a post where I copied Randy's original post. (couldn't find Randy's)
http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=28458.msg260465#msg260465
I have updated the Forum III Specifications (http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/index.php?title=Larriv%C3%A9e_Forum_Guitars#Specifications_2) to include the information in your post.
Thank you.
See my web page for a couple build pics from Forum II. http://randyrick.us/guitars/LarriveeForumGuitar.htm
Although I say there were 10 Forum II's, there were actually only 9, 9-Forum II's and 1 Forum I replacement. My guitar does not have a Forum II label.
My Forum I #10 was damaged in shipment and another person who ordered a lefty Forum I had his guitar built as a righty and it was kept by Notable. So Larrivee was going to have to make a couple more Forum guitars, and they allowed a number of people who missed out on the order process to place additional orders with Notable Guitars. So the Forum II's were really just a 2nd order of Forum I's. I don't think there should really have been a Forum II label, just more Forum I's.
An additional bit of history on Forum-I #10. If you look at the picture of the 10 guitars from the 2nd build on my web page
(http://randyrick.us/guitars/LarriveeForum10Box.jpg)
The box with 2 labels on it is mine. All the other 9 boxes had to be approved for international shipment by Canadian Fish and Game due to the abalone inlay, but since my box was a replacement, it didn't have to be approved (again). The nine Forum II's then shipped to Notable Guitars after the inspection, but mine was left in a corner of the shipping area and was to be shipped to me direct as warranty work, rather than thru Notable. However 2 weeks later my guitar never arrived. Larrivee Customer Service had to locate it where it was misplaced and forgotten, and ship it to me. It was worth the wait, as its a beauitiful playing guitar.
Looks good, ST. One thing, though. You list the Forum I being shipped in Jan. 2006, and the Forum II being shipped in April 2005. I think one of these is wrong.
Thank you Randy,
I have added the detailed history of the Forum I here:
Forum I details (http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/index.php?title=Larriv%C3%A9e_Forum_Guitars#Forum_I) and included the story and clarification about how many Forum II's were shipped.
This is great.
Hey there Forum III owners...
What style headstock do you have?
I can't remember and I can't find a detailed picture of a Forum III headstock.
Thanks!
Quote from: ST on December 20, 2009, 03:24:35 PM
Hey there Forum III owners...
What style headstock do you have?
I can't remember and I can't find a detailed picture of a Forum III headstock.
Thanks!
Same as any 03 series guitar with an ebony overlay
Hi DaveG,
Quote from: DaveG on December 20, 2009, 03:14:22 PM
Looks good, ST. One thing, though. You list the Forum I being shipped in Jan. 2006, and the Forum II being shipped in April 2005. I think one of these is wrong.
Thanks for spotting that. Fixed now - January 2005.
The Forum III Guitar was shipped March 16, 2009. There was a factory tour of the Vancouver, BC plant where these were built.
You might want to restate that, saying the guitars "started" shipping on March 16, 2009. Larrivee shipped the guitars to Jim Holler at his request, he was receiving about 6 a day I believe. He did not want all 78 guitars shipped at once because he had to set each one up and didn't have the room for that many guitars, plus he had his regular daily business to take care of. As I stated somewhere else The ordering started early Dec 2008 and I received mine 4/25/2009. Lucky #13
Thanks Denis,
Quote from: Denis on December 20, 2009, 03:27:57 PM
Same as any 03 series guitar with an ebony overlay
Is the Ebony overlay stock on the 03 series?
Quote from: ST on December 20, 2009, 08:19:13 PM
Thanks Denis,
Is the Ebony overlay stock on the 03 series?
most of them
Thanks Danny,
Quote from: dependan on December 20, 2009, 08:35:27 PM
most of them
This is fine then. I was trying to figure out if I had to mention the ebony overlay as being something special and different from the stock 03 appointments that came on the Forum III (http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/index.php?title=Larriv%C3%A9e_Forum_Guitars#Forum_III).
I think this clears it up and I don't have to make specific mention of this.
ST, Thanks for doing this. I know for some forumites the F-III threads drove them nuts and for sure we posted way too much (at least I did). But I was just using your links on WIKI and enjoying some of the threads and pictures, like looking at a scrap book.
Those that went to Vancouver and picked up the guitar at the factory and played together later had a very memorable time together.
It would be nice to do it again. Plus we may be surprised by a few guests like d. and ST :thumbsup
Hey Danny,
Glad you like the wiki page.
If there is a flock of Forumites landing in Vancouver to pick up their Forum IV's I can try to put together a house concert / jam session. Good news.... it's a great room. Not so great news - it's 45 minutes drive from the Larrivée factory. Dermot, Vancouver Southpaw and Johnny 37 have all been there.
Anyway, it would be fun to make that happen.
ST,
Great idea and a great site. Thanks for including the picture of Bella on it. :thumbsup
Hi Lynda,
Glad you like it.
Quote from: lyric_girl on December 21, 2009, 01:32:44 PM
ST,
Great idea and a great site. Thanks for including the picture of Bella on it. :thumbsup
I've added Bella's name to the caption.
[attachment deleted by admin]
Quote from: ST on December 20, 2009, 10:23:39 PM
Hey Danny,
Glad you like the wiki page.
If there is a flock of Forumites landing in Vancouver to pick up their Forum IV's I can try to put together a house concert / jam session. Good news.... it's a great room. Not so great news - it's 45 minutes drive from the Larrivée factory. Dermot, Vancouver Southpaw and Johnny 37 have all been there.
Anyway, it would be fun to make that happen.
Not so sure if Larrivee are able to do the Local Pickup or Direct shipment this year due to Sales Tax reasons :yak:
Quote from: JOYCEfromNS on December 21, 2009, 04:08:59 PM
Not so sure if Larrivee are able to do the Local Pickup or Direct shipment this year due to Sales Tax reasons :yak:
Yeah, I got a note from Jim saying we couldn't get direct shipping to Canada this time around as, I'm guessing, it caused some tax headaches, for Larrivee and/or Jim Holler when they did that for the FIII? Small price to pay. I will get a bone saddle/set up though!
Quote from: ST on December 20, 2009, 10:23:39 PM
Hey Danny,
Glad you like the wiki page.
If there is a flock of Forumites landing in Vancouver to pick up their Forum IV's I can try to put together a house concert / jam session. Good news.... it's a great room. Not so great news - it's 45 minutes drive from the Larrivée factory. Dermot, Vancouver Southpaw and Johnny 37 have all been there.
Anyway, it would be fun to make that happen.
I would do the jam again in a heartbeat. :nana_guitar
I've just added a new entry in the Larrivée Forum Guitars page (http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/index.php?title=Larriv%C3%A9e_Forum_Guitars). That page now includes notes about the Forum V - The RS-4. Basically that new section points back to the Larrivée forum and this page: Forum V - The RS-4 (http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=38097.0)
The page on my site is a historical record of all the Forum Guitars. The links on that page point back to the original (live and ongoing) discussions here in this forum.
I'll add the details to that page as they come to light.