Main Forums => Non-Guitar Discussion => Topic started by: Old Geezer on December 09, 2006, 09:07:51 AM

Title: Smelly Case
Post by: Old Geezer on December 09, 2006, 09:07:51 AM
I have a Larrivee OM-03R with a Larrivee standard issue case that has an
odor problem.
The previous owner tried to polish the satin finish using the Orsino methjod,
so I initially thought that that was the source of the stink.
I've since polished the guitar myself using Stew Mac products and have had
it out of the case for about three weeks now.
The guitar has no smell at all...the stink is strictly in the case. I've
tried Fabreeze, baking soda, a sock filled with coffee, vinegar, all to no
avail.

Anyone have any tricks to get rid of case stink?  It's not mold or mildew
but rather a chemical smell that even I find offensive...and I've been
around some pretty nasty stinks in Asia...

I do remember some odor absorbing products on the market but can't think of
any of their names. If I recall, most were for removing pet or urine smells
from rugs and the like.
Anyone out there who can name some stink-away products for me?

Much appreciated,
OG

Title: Re: Smelly Case
Post by: ducktrapper on December 09, 2006, 11:24:25 AM
Smelly cats? If it was a male cat, get a new case. You'll always smell it. 
Title: Re: Smelly Case
Post by: Old Geezer on December 09, 2006, 11:54:18 AM
No,  nothing to do with cats or any animals for that matter. The case just stinks!

OG
Title: Re: Smelly Case
Post by: inspector13 on December 09, 2006, 12:05:29 PM
I have not run into this problem with a Larrivee case but had a funky smelling SKB case and was never able to get rid of the smell. The only reason for the odor I was able to come up with was offgassing of the glue. I got rid of the case.
Title: Re: Smelly Case
Post by: Tycho on December 09, 2006, 12:51:48 PM
I've run into this problem with an after-market case for my Les Paul, but never with a Larrivee case.  As far as the LP case goes, right now I'm just living with it.  The smell hangs on the guitar for a a little while after I take it out of the case, but eventually goes away.  I might get rid of the case eventually and spring for the pricey Gibson case.

This topic is popping up all the time on guitar boards these days.  I think the case makers should start paying attention. 
Title: Re: Smelly Case
Post by: Old Geezer on December 09, 2006, 01:41:39 PM
This one is a 2004 case/guitar and the guitar has been out of the case for over three weeks now. I've had baking soda, Fabreeze, carpet freshener, and coffee in there.
All of these methods have worked in other cases in the past but, man,...this case STINKS! It's been outside in the sun all day and my entire patio stinks like the case right now.
Even the cats won't go near it.

OG
Title: Re: Smelly Case
Post by: Tycho on December 09, 2006, 03:07:50 PM
I know what you mean.  It's sort of a synthetic chemical version of an old socks/BO smell.  Not pleasant!
Title: Re: Smelly Case
Post by: Old Geezer on December 09, 2006, 04:29:29 PM
Quote from: Tycho on December 09, 2006, 03:07:50 PM
I know what you mean.  It's sort of a synthetic chemical version of an old socks/BO smell.  Not pleasant!

Let's just say that old socks and BO would be an improvement!
Title: Re: Smelly Case
Post by: Ratishna on December 09, 2006, 11:25:40 PM
Two more ideas, but with no guarantee of results, carpet and upholstery cleaners.  The heavy duty kind that auto detailers use.
Title: Re: Smelly Case
Post by: SteveO on December 10, 2006, 03:04:50 AM
Geez, Have you tryed "Ozium" or
those Dryer sheets that have the fresh out~doorzy smell to them...
Title: Re: Smelly Case
Post by: hatofthecat on December 10, 2006, 06:50:07 AM
If the stink hasn't been beaten by all those domestic odour neutralising products and "grandma's remedies" its got to be as you said something 'chemical' thats ongoing and continuing to generate the stink so either outgassing from the glue (if far too much was used or is an incorrectly mixed batch).... the other possible given you said its a kind of "BO funk" is the foam padding is actually decomposing.  If its the old style traditional foam when it breaks down it gives off a urine/sweaty sock type smell.  Best suggestion I have left is put the case somewhere as hot as you can find and try to bake the stink out of it.... a building boiler room maybe ?  :doh  good luck with it anyway.

Pete

PS ...and if that don't work there's always a product called "Ferret Kleen"....for real !!! ...if it can neutralise the odour from those little fellas it'll kill any stink  :arrow
Title: Re: Smelly Case
Post by: Old Geezer on December 10, 2006, 07:50:52 AM
Ozium is one of the product names I couldn't remember. And Ferrett Clean is a new one on me. Thanks!

So far the interior has been washed with Resolve and vacuumed, wiped down with a sponge dampened with white vinegar a few days later, then had a sock full of coffee in it for two weeks, then finally a box of baking soda in it for ten days during my last road trip.
It stunk worse when I got back! The guitar has been sitting out of the case all this time and smells of sweet rosewood and spruce..no complaints about that!
Yesterday, it spent eight hours outside in the breezy sunshine, then I sprinkled it with Carpet Fresh and let that soak for three hours before vacuuming it out and shutting the case with another box of baking soda inside. I'm stubborn, but another week and I think I'll burn it in the fireplace and get myself another case. Anyone have a suggestion for a good fitting OM case?

I've had "smelly" cases in the past but NEVER anything as bad as this one...and it seems to be getting worse..

Thanks for all the suggestions,
OG
Title: Re: Smelly Case
Post by: stuco on December 12, 2006, 10:53:08 AM
 :ph34r:

Here's what I'd do.  Put the case up for sale for cheap in the buy sell, section and be sure to mention that this case stinks.  I'm sure there's someone who doesn't care and likes a good deal. 

This is the best deal I could find on a case for my om. 

http://www.elderly.com/accessories/items/GCEV-000.htm

It is a genuine TKL case with an arch top and nice nice looking (low smell interrior :bgrin:) Red interrior.

Best case to be found for the price imo.  They also have a flattop version for $75
Title: Re: Smelly Case
Post by: kwakatak on December 12, 2006, 03:37:51 PM
What about cedar chips?
Title: Re: Smelly Case
Post by: kevbo on December 12, 2006, 03:59:10 PM
One of the pet odor-neutralizing products that I've used is Nature's Miracle.  Given your description of the persistence of the odor, however, I doubt that Nature's Miracle stands much of a chance. 

Quote...but another week and I think I'll burn it in the fireplace...

Wait - have you thought what smell it might give off when it burns?  :bgrin:  Maybe you should ask a neighbor if you can borrow his fireplace.
Title: Re: Smelly Case
Post by: dleahy on December 13, 2006, 01:40:05 PM
I had that problem with a couple Martin hardshell cases. Outgassing of the glues it appears. I got rid of them after trying many options, including setting a layer of baking soda in it for a couple days. It spoiled the nice woody smell of the guitar.
Title: Re: Smelly Case
Post by: D4ve on December 14, 2006, 07:56:48 AM
My Tele case does that too. It stinks. When I want to play it I take it out and let it sit for a while so the smell will disipate. (eek I wonder whats in those fumes). At any rate I have thought about just ptiching the case and getting another case. Not something you would expext from an experienced manufacturer is it?
Title: Re: Smelly Case
Post by: poki on December 14, 2006, 06:51:00 PM
i can just see everyone reading this post opening their guitar cases and taking a whiff :humour: 

i checked my larrivee parlor case and didn't detect any unusual odors but i did find a nice blue larrivee polishing cloth and pick in the case.  i haven't checked the inside of my case since getting the parlor nearly 3 years ago.

i think the best bet is to replace the case since the odor has beaten all comers and is getting worse to boot.  if you do somehow manage to cure the problem be sure to post what you did just in case it happens to others.
good luck
:nana_guitar
Title: Re: Smelly Case
Post by: Old Geezer on December 15, 2006, 09:29:37 PM
I think a replacement is forthcoming....after two weeks of attempted de-stinking, I damn near tossed my cookies after taking a sniff tonight.
I think a ritual beach-burning on New Years Day may be appropriate. God it's an awful stink....and it's only getting worse.

OG
Title: Re: Smelly Case
Post by: stuco on December 16, 2006, 09:49:22 AM
I'm telling you, that case i listed above is the best value/money around
Title: Re: Smelly Case
Post by: Old Geezer on December 16, 2006, 09:59:29 AM
Quote from: stuco on December 16, 2006, 09:49:22 AM
I'm telling you, that case i listed above is the best value/money around

Already checked it out...a distinct possibility. I'll be doing some shopping locally, today.
Once again, thanks everyone for the suggestions!

OG
Title: Re: Smelly Case
Post by: sunburst on December 25, 2006, 07:43:47 PM
I have an extra Larrivee OM-03 case (flattop, not the arched) that I would send to you if you'll pay the shipping. My OM-03 12-string had a short (regular) OM case, so when I replaced it, I put my other OM-03 in the new case. The extra has some dings, but is in good shape, and is now just taking up room in our storage closet. Email me if you're interested.

Deb
Title: Re: Smelly Case
Post by: Old Geezer on December 25, 2006, 08:39:35 PM
Thank you!  PM sent.

I just had to try one more time to get the stink out.....I used carpet fresh pet odor remover and a few more days in the fresh air and sunshine.
It smelled good for almost an hour and the stench came back again!

Something tells me it will be in the New Years Eve bonfire on the beach next week!

OG
Title: Re: Smelly Case
Post by: Gemnoc on December 26, 2006, 01:00:26 PM
I'll check the news for a headline reading like this:

ENVIRONMENTAL DISASTER AT NEW YEAR'S EVE
Exxon Valdez pales in comparison

:humour:
Title: Re: Smelly Case
Post by: Old Geezer on December 26, 2006, 01:15:16 PM
More like "Noxious Cloud Wipes Out Waterfront Town".
I just found out today that my wife is, indeed, more stubborn than I.
She wants to strip and reline the case, even though it's being replaced.
I suggested she do it in a neighbors garage...

OG
Title: Re: Smelly Case
Post by: sunburst on December 29, 2006, 10:07:52 PM
Relief should arrive on Friday! :bgrin:
Title: Re: Smelly Case
Post by: Old Geezer on December 29, 2006, 10:24:50 PM
Quote from: sunburst on December 29, 2006, 10:07:52 PM
Relief should arrive on Friday! :bgrin:

Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You!

OG
Title: Re: Smelly Case
Post by: sunburst on December 30, 2006, 01:29:07 PM
The best type of recycling. I'm happy to have it used, my husband is happy to have it out of the storage room! Everybody wins. You are very welcome! :bgrin:
Title: Re: Smelly Case
Post by: Gemnoc on December 30, 2006, 02:48:52 PM
sunburst is such a nice person. :thumbsup
Title: Re: Smelly Case
Post by: hatofthecat on January 08, 2007, 01:06:42 PM
I'm reading this thread whilst listening to radio station report of an unidentified stink covering Manhattan......



.....hang on..... Old Geezer you didn't just throw it in a dumpster did you ??  :humour:
Title: Re: Smelly Case
Post by: Old Geezer on January 08, 2007, 05:50:06 PM
Quote from: hatofthecat on January 08, 2007, 01:06:42 PM
I'm reading this thread whilst listening to radio station report of an unidentified stink covering Manhattan......

.....hang on..... Old Geezer you didn't just throw it in a dumpster did you ??  :humour:

Nah...I floated it down the Hudson River.... :humour:

Sunburst, The NON smelly case arrived this afternoon and my OM is nestled safely inside it's new home.
It's also in far better shape than you led me to believe! :thumb

Thanks,

OG
Title: Re: Smelly Case
Post by: sunburst on January 08, 2007, 06:20:54 PM
Yeah! I hate to think of an unprotected Larrivee, especially in the winter! Pete (the former inhabitant of that case) & I send our best wishes.

Deb :thumbsup
Title: Re: Smelly Case
Post by: poki on January 09, 2007, 04:09:25 AM
Quote from: Old Geezer on January 08, 2007, 05:50:06 PM
Nah...I floated it down the Hudson River.... :humour:


OG

i can't help but wonder if this explains what's causing the gaseous odors around new york, or is it becasue of new jersey?  :humour:

good to hear things worked out :nana_guitar
Title: Re: Smelly Case
Post by: Old Geezer on January 09, 2007, 09:47:33 AM
Quote from: poki on January 09, 2007, 04:09:25 AM
i can't help but wonder if this explains what's causing the gaseous odors around new york, or is it becasue of new jersey?  :humour:

good to hear things worked out :nana_guitar

A local news station had a blurb on the NY problems and stated the following:
"It was a simple case of fresh air. The locals who were complaining had never smelled fresh air and were
complaining about the strange odor".

OG