http://cgi.ebay.com/PRICELESS-CUSTOM-LARRIVEE-GUITAR-MINT_W0QQitemZ7409236075QQcategoryZ2385QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Doesn't even say what it's made of.
Like ...
HYPE ....
Totally :ph34r:
http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=11302.0
Quote from: jankymutt on April 23, 2006, 09:08:10 PM
http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=11302.0
Maybe he took a class in eBay hyperbole? Nice guitar, but "Priceless?" Ugly tuners. Interesting case.
Deb
Quote from: wyodeb on April 23, 2006, 09:53:30 PM
Maybe he took a class in eBay hyperbole? Nice guitar, but "Priceless?" Ugly tuners. Interesting case.
Deb
this guitar may have hyperbolic X-bracing. it's one of a kind. :rolleyes: I have ugly Sperzel tuners on my best electric and they work great for that.
Larrivee D-19? = $1500
Cool road case = $500
$1,000 in maintenance =lucky tech
Capabilities for safe cold storage of 6 to 12 bottles in guitar case = Priceless
Looks like a standard used D-10 to me...with crappy looking tuners, a crappy looking case etc. So what if he spent $1000 worth of maintenance on the thing...I don't think I've spent more than $30 on a guitar tech in the last 8 years. He can't add that to the price because it isn't relevant at all to the potential buyer. That case doesn't even look like it would protect all that well...Don't get me wrong, looks like a sweet larrivee, but I would say $1300-1400 at max(on a very very good day)
and the Oscar goes to... :rolleyes:
poor fella, sounds like he's ready to throw himself in front of a speeding Radio Flyer
of course we all know how nice larrivees are even without dramatic license
let me guess...he just lost his job, his dog died and somebody in the family needs an operation? have I gone too far? He certainly has.
Quote from: roknroll on April 23, 2006, 10:47:35 PMSo what if he spent $1000 worth of maintenance on the thing...I don't think I've spent more than $30 on a guitar tech in the last 8 years. He can't add that to the price because it isn't relevant at all to the potential buyer.
good point
About the $1000 maintenance ... the guy's full of s&*# and he's not even good at it. Assuming for the sake of argument that's true, which is ridiculous, who'd want a guitar that defective?
no kidding, did he take it in for a new setup every month he owned the thing?? How could you possibly spend $1000 on maintenance...I could see maybe if the thing had cracks, a neck reset, Boned it out, Refinished bad spots etc...His guitar tech probably took him for a fool and charged him $500 each time he had a "check up".
Like I said, the maintenance thing means nothing to the buyer because setups are very personal. If it's set up great for him, it might suck to someone else. Why should the buyer be responsible for paying his $1000 maintenance fees?
Looks like he added to his description...boo hoo hoo...this is the type of guy who would sell a kilo of heroine(or cocaine in this matter:) to an undercover cop. He really is looking for a complete sucker.
Are you even sure this auction is legit? The stories are rather sensationalist and do not appear true to life. The kicker is that his written English is full of grammatical errors, characteristic of an English as a Second Language (ESL) speaker. It's possible that he may be a scammer from a nation outside the USA.
I was thinking the same thing, OM. It seems to that he added in a new story for every question I asked also, and of course, the stories are very flamboyant and questionable. STEAR CLEAR!
OK.. hi guys... I have been watching you for several days and the assumptions you make are amazing.
First off, yes, English is my second language. Sorry for the typos... secondly why are some of you really ticked off by me selling this guitar at that price... I DON'T GET IT.
I got 6 messages from one of you calling me names... is that the kind of treatment you give someone who actually appreciates something in common with you guys.
Some of you have also been helpful... so one way or the other thought I would finally stop by and post on the SECOND thread about a guitar that NONE of you bid for yet I have received 3 private offers for.
The stories are true.
This guitar... IS OUTSTANDING.
Sell your stuff at what you think is fair and I will too... everyone is happy.
I AM NOT LOOKING FOR A SUCKER... just someone who will care for this guitar like I have.
On the maintenance... I pay someone to do a complete re-haul of my guitars once a year... I have done this for all my guitars... and it pays off. He is expensive... but I like what he does. So you calculate about 150 a year...
Oh, and another thing... I AM AN AMERICAN, just wasn't born here and I live in the US... West Coast.
Like all the other posts and threads though.
Hello edac!
The D-10 does look nice. However most of the folks on this forum will likely find the price points on the ebay listing to be unrealistic.
I try to limit comments on other folks pricing but this is such an exceptional outlier statistically, I think the comment is appropriate.
I hope that you can get your ebay price for the guitar. In my experience, D-10's should be valued at from $1100 to around $1500 depending on condition, inlays, etc. The custom case looks good for possible transcontinental travel, but most folks will likely not find it very practical.
Again, good luck on getting your price! ...and welcome to a great guitar discussion forum!
$1000.00 worth of maintenance? I have a 31 year old L09 in Oxnard right now for a total refit that probably won't cost that much! Is he counting all his string changes?
Thank you much for the welcoming. I really appreciate it.
Concerning the amount I spend on maintenance. No... not counting strings. I realized a while back after spending a large amount on a Martin CF-2 neck that if I was going to keep all of my guitars I had to find someone VERY good to maintain them... adjust the truss, make sure that the gears where perfect and so on. If you can spend $1000 to $3000 tuning and fixing up a Mercedes to keep it up to par, well what's $150 a year on a guitar that is as fine a piece of craftsmanship if not more?
So my tech found a guy... in California... and he is really good... sets the neck 100% and the bridge and the gears, so I can always pick them up and just play. Makes me happy to know that I can track with anyone of them at any given time.
Now I truly recommend this for anyone who plays for a living or records for a living. I realize everyone doesn't do this and some people enjoy doing there own set ups... I hate it... makes me nervous and really don't want to screw them up. Good mechanics are hard to find so are fine luthiers... and there great mechanics and great drivers... they do different things. I admire mechanics but I am not one.
Larrivees are undervalued in my opinion... my spanish guitars are WAY more expensive, the flamenco and the classical guitars that I have are WAY more expensive and yet aren't half as bright and perfectly resonant in a good space as my Larrivees. They don't record as well either.
Someone asked me for the serial number and I have her in the storage, but I will get it today... then you guys can better tell me.
Hate to tell you this, but your guitar tech is ripping you off. I know VERY qualified guitar techs that only recommend getting the truss rod adjusted at the most...twice a year. Ok, $150 a year, that means you've owned the guitar for approximately 7 years, correct? You say he uses the "finest rags and polishes" possible...that statement is at most,laughable. In fact, this whole auction is laughable. Adjusting the tuners takes a philips head screwdriver...You could have probably saved $970 doing the maintenance yourself, at the same standards that you liked from your guitar tech(minus the truss rod adjustments, I still can't get that right). Why don't you just face the reality that you have priced this guitar priced point ABOVE retail of a new D-10? I just want to hear you say that your D-10 is priced more than a brand new D-10, and you should answer why it is. You seem to not be grasping the reality of all of this. Sure you can go on and on and on about god knows what, but you lack the necessary arguement to justify your price. Your "finest polish and rags" stories just aren't cutting it. Your "tweaking of the tuners" stories aren't cutting it. Sorry to get all razzel frazzled over this guys, but what if some poor sap actually buys this guitar at this price point? I'd rather steer a potential buyer in the direction of a new D-10, and save him literally, thousands of dollars.
EDOC...Look at www.larrivee.com...check out the D-10...see how much it retails for. I dare you to look at the facts.
Quote from: sixpickn on April 23, 2006, 10:12:52 PM
this guitar may have hyperbolic X-bracing. it's one of a kind. :rolleyes: I have ugly Sperzel tuners on my best electric and they work great for that.
Larrivee D-19? = $1500
Cool road case = $500
$1,000 in maintenance =lucky tech
Capabilities for safe cold storage of 6 to 12 bottles in guitar case = Priceless
So are you saying for everything else, Visa?
Andy
cash. always cash (except at the pump) :angry:. keeps me honest.
roknroll... WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM MAN... you "dare" me to look it up on the website.... I HAVE... why do you think I am doing this? What are we in 8th grade? You "dare" me? What the #$%?
If you have something to teach me then go ahead. But don't make assumptions.
You talk about techies... look that is something I have had REALLY good and really BAD experiences with. You choose to drive a piece of crappy car... then you get the results of driving a crappy car... I don't... am I wrong... maybe in your eyes I am... but thank god this isn't a communist country or you might have me shot for spending money on SOMETHING I LOVE.
If you spend it in the right way... it will save you money on the long-run.
I travel with my some of my guitars a LOT! I use them everyday. I also travel with my tech. I need to know that they are PERFECT... understand me... I am not some eccentric freak... well maybe I am... but thats not the point. I am not out burning money into the wind... but if you want the best results... you have to put in the time and money to get them.
Do you do wood maintenance on yours 4 times a year? Do you keep yours in a temp controlled room? Do you know what I go through just to take care of the humidity?
I have maybe 80 to 100 grand in guitars and I choose to have mine taken care of in a certain way... so I spend a grand or so a year... if you had a nice car in you garage, wouldn't you keep it ship shape?
This isn't just another D10... it isn't.
Now the part I can't understand is... if you have Larrivees why is this irking you so? Why does this piss you off? If there is a high value demand for high en Larrivees... great for you too... the value of yours goes up too.... why does this piss you off? WHY?
roknroll, are you the guy that sent me the letters calling me names on ebay? If you don't want it... just DON'T BUY IT... that simple.
sixpickn,
VERY FUNNY! VERY!
I certainly see both points to this discussion. The part I'm confused about is that the seller, in two other auctions that have since ended, described himself as a "guitar tech" who was selling some pedals for "the guy (he) tech(s) for". Now I'm really confused. A guitar tech who has a (very expensive) guitar tech??? ^_^ I like the case, though. Looks comfy.
I think this thread needs to be deleted......
This is America and if this guy wants to sell his guitar for $3k then so be it. Who are we to say otherwise? Frankly, it's none of our business. If you don't like the price, don't buy it. If someone trolling ebay wants drop that much coin, then that's their deal. This reminds me of that thread a few months back with that hog satin parlor that went for $1200 and a bunch of us got all bent out of shape and started making fun of the wining bidder.
This is the Larrivee forum so of course we are going to discuss Larry's on ebay, but I think we should keep the conversation civil and keep out negative opinions to ourselves. I'm just a humble member here, but in my opinion edac needs to watch his language and roknroll needs to calm down and worry about his own business.
Quote from: roknroll on April 26, 2006, 12:26:32 PM
Sorry to get all razzel frazzled over this guys, but what if some poor sap actually buys this guitar at this price point? I'd rather steer a potential buyer in the direction of a new D-10, and save him literally, thousands of dollars.
Obviously they are not a poor sap if they have $3k for a guitar. Honestly roknroll, how does it affect you if someone buys this?
Ok, my rant is over. I am always keep my opinions to myself here, but I couldn't help myself today....Sorry :UND>
Well, no one loves a nice Larry more than I do and if you can single handedly pump up the value on older ones, good for you, I guess. The market is likely to decide what it's worth though. Unfortunately or not.
nope, didn't write you once about your rubbish auction. I've just been entertained by your auction on this forum. Have you ever seen dumb and dumber? Well if you have, then you know of the scene where they sell a dead parrot that had it's head ripped off, to a blind kid. That's about the only way you will sell this guitar...if you sell it to a blind kid named petey. lol
edac,
I am beginning to admire your passion for music and your guitars. It's a very bold move to stand up in this forum and state your case the way you have. I have yet to see someone resort to insults regarding an asking price of $10K for an Olsen or a Ryan etc, and I believe a new Martin costs less than some of the older ones :mellow:. Ultimately the market will determine the current value of your D-10, and yes I'd love it if the perceived value of all Larrivee's went up! Maybe if Eric Clapton played one. I imagine yours is a great guitar. I know this is a great and generally civil forum. good luck with the sale.
six pickin, get your head out of this guys arse for a moment. He's a cheap greasy used car salesman who is trying to make a buck off of hard working americans. He's pulled the wool over most of your eyes with his BS rhetoric. Why give a con man the benefit of the doubt? Just laugh.
edac...explain this little doozy...
"NEW GUITAR EFFECTS PEDALS!!!
THE BEST OF THE BEST!
I am a guitar tech. This Wasabi Forward-Reverse Delay, is part of a collection of really amazing pedals the guy I tech for is selling. The reason is he always gets 4 at one time... and usually 2 end up in storage in a box and he only uses the stage and back up pedals.
THESE PEDALS ARE AWESOME!
These are some of the coolest and best pedals money can buy and you can get them today at a great price!
They are BRAND NEW and in the box. The were placed on my work bench when they arrived (as I always do) and I plugged them in once to make sure they worked... they have been in a cooled storage unit ever since (the storage is a dry storage too... don't worry about humidity).
I have to clear out stuff from time to time... and today... someone is going to really luck out!"
That's interesting, a guitar tech doesn't know how to maintain his own private collection of guitars? Are those bad guitar techs you referred to actually yourself? He's not just a conman, but he has multi-personalitys as well. Caught you in your own lie.
roknroll:
I just laughed so hard that boiling coffee... just wound up on the, computer, the wall... and almost everything in a 7 foot radius. One of my favorite movies... but do you NEED to call the auction rubbish?
billbfoot:
The ebay account isn't mine... the management company uses it for all the band gear. I am not the tech... but he does use the account too... the guy who actually posts everything on ebay is Michel.
sixpickin:
thanks... apreciated.
DUDE... roknroll... WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH ME?>
WHAT THE HELL?
edac, you don't have to be an FBI agent working in a forged documents lab to know these auctions are written all from the same person. Same boisterous, flamboyant generic, non-sense writing that you write. You come up with excuses just like any cornered rat would come up with. You are more transparent than a ziploc bag. I'm done going back and forth with you because it's a waste of time. Good luck with your pitiful auction. I didn't call you any names, I generalized you. Typical, now you are trying to sound victimized. Another cliched trait that is often found amongst con-men.
Where do you get off calling me a rat?
WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE ASK THE MODERATER TO STEP IN PLEASE!
Is this the way people get treated here?
WHY DO I PISS YOU OF SO MUCH?
If you don't want to discuss it like a civilized person... jsut please go away... and LEAVE ME ALONE.
Don't call me names... UNCOOL!
http://cgi.ebay.com/DW-PACIFIC-DRUM-SET-CYMBALS-AND-CUSTOM-ROAD-CASES_W0QQitemZ7409137979QQcategoryZ38097QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Looks like you are also a professional drummer....interesting.
I hope Zach sees this thread and deletes it because I think we're all tired of this drivel.
Like, I said... the ebay account isn't mine... I DON'T EVEN HAVE ONE... the management company uses it for all the band gear. I am not the tech... but he does use the account too... the guy who actually posts everything on ebay is Michel.
Then why does your handwriting look exactly like every ebay auction in question? What's the name of your band? Do you have a website?
I TOLD YOU... I DON'T WRITE ON THAT THING MICHEL DOES!!!!!!
I AM SICK OF THIS roknroll... I DON'T GET WHY THIS GETS ON YOUR NERVES SO MUCH?
You call me names...
What's the name of your band?
I WILL GLADLY TELL THE MODERATOR>.. NOT YOU! I will also give the moderator pics and the number to call the Label or the Management company to verify....NOT YOU!
After you treat me that way, am I supposed to tell you who I am?
I really didn't expect this here.
"I TOLD YOU... I DON'T WRITE ON THAT THING MICHEL DOES!!!!!!"
"NEW GUITAR EFFECTS PEDALS!!!"
Anybody else see the similiaritys?
Quote from: roknroll on April 26, 2006, 02:47:13 PM
What's the name of your band?
I WILL GLADLY TELL THE MODERATOR>.. NOT YOU! I will also give the moderator pics and the number to call the Label or the Management company to verify....NOT YOU!
After you treat me like that and then I am supposed to tell you who I am!
You are pathetic... why you would take so much time from your life to try to make someone Else's life hard... is BEYOND me.
So you know... we just got a bunch of new gear... and so we get rid of all of the backup gear we don't need. The guitar pedals... part mine and part belongs to the other guitarist. The bass and drum stuff NOT mine.
But you know what man... I REALLY don't need to explain myself to you.
Like I said... I WILL GLADLY TELL THE MODERATOR>.. NOT YOU! I will also give the moderator pics and the number to call the Label or the Management company to verify....NOT YOU!
This thread is what is wrong with most forums, and I believe we as a group are better than this thread.
Good luck to the seller.
Good luck to members of the forum.
No one is forcing anyone else to pay for the guitar, unless you bid and win.
Kill this thread before it grows.
Andy
I think it's time you let it go roknroll. :UND>
Andy, Sorry... I agree. It feels like the velvetrope forum in here.
and since this is a family show, it is permissible for off color language to be removed from previous posts by the original poster. thanks.
Sorry Jim.. went back and did that... my emotions got the best of me.
It just seems to me that for that sort of asking price, he'd at least have listed what sort of woods it was made from.
Oh good grief. Good luck with your sale Edac. Let it rest now, can we?
If it's a brazilian rosewood wood D10 then I have no issue with the price.
good luck with the auction whatever happens :GRN>
Quote from: ducktrapper on April 26, 2006, 04:24:56 PM
Oh good grief. Good luck with your sale Edac. Let it rest now, can we?
and miss all this?
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Quote from: Walkerman on April 26, 2006, 04:18:45 PM
It just seems to me that for that sort of asking price, he'd at least have listed what sort of woods it was made from.
Ok folks, let's just act like adults and drop the whole thing. It kinda makes me sad to see this on the Larrivee forum... I'm used to coming here and enjoying the time I spend on the forum. Just think about it... how important is it to our lives even if "edac" IS trying to rip someone off? And we really don't know the entire situation, so we shouldn't rush to judge him so quickly. Let's get back to the good ol' fun chat we're all used to, whadyasay? :UND>
--Ross--
Holly cow... I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO... after todays little ordeal... I just called up Larrivee... and I think Rocknroll may be right... it may be a D10. I have 2 others... holly !@#$!
So how much is it worth?
How can a normal D10 sound like this... OH GOD..... I FEEL LIKE AN -CENSORED-. IT"S MY FAVORIT...
Made in 97... all standard D10 stuff...
All Solid Mastergrade wood Construction, Single Piece Mahogany Neck, Canadian Sitka Spruce Sound Board & Bracing, African Ebony Fretboard & Bridge, Indian Rosewood Multi-Strip Body Binding, Rosewood Back & Sides, Symmetrical Parabolic X-Bracing, Hand fit Dovetail Neck Joint, Abalone Rosette & Top Purfling, Pearl Logo w/ Sterling Silver Border, Ping Tuners w/ Black Knobs (18:1 Ratio), Ivoroid Fretboard Binding, Larrivee Custom Beveled Pickguard, Deluxe Fretboard & Bridge Wing Inlays, Limited Lifetime warranty, Arch-top Case.
Help... please. I FEEL LIKE AN IDIOT HERE.
Now suposedly there is a LOT of custom work done on it before I got it... lowered the frets... AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I feel horrible.
I think D-10s go in the neighborhood of 1100 to 1600. Some of the older models sometimes fetch a premium.
I FEEL 2 inches tall... and I just had them change the ebay listing.
Sorry, and thanks.
Edac, I congratulate you on your courage to post your findings with Larrivee and admit things were not as they had appreared. It must not have been easy after all the things that had been said in previous posts. I take my hat off to you!!!
NewStrings
Thank you sir... I am still in shock.
On one side I feel completely screwed by the guy who I got it from. I did a LOT of session work for free to get her... and on the other I feel kind of grateful I got her in such a way.
This was the only guitar I ever purchased from a person directly... or bartered for directly... without going to a dealer or the manufacturer. Goes to show you huh!
A little information about your product before you sell can make a world of difference. Sure, I can sell a rock out in my front yard for $1000, but is it ethical? A lot of people say "he can sell it for whatever price he wants"...ok, true, yes he can...but if ethics are getting in the way, expect to hear about it. Take Exxon for example, they just gave their CEO a 400 million dollar retirement bonus during record breaking crude oil prices...America is speaking up about it too. Some are even boycotting exxon. You don't think your voice matters when it comes to issues regarding ethics? Yes this is a grand capitalistic society we live in, but we also frown upon monopolys and exploiting goods and services. Now if D-10s were no longer being made, I could care less what he was selling it for. But since Larrivee is making a plethera of new D-10s every year, you can't exploit a sale of a used D-10 and expect not to hear about it. Edac, sorry if I thought it was a shady ebay auction, but can you really blame me for thinking that? Perhaps there were other issues that distanced our communication as welll, such as culture barriers,language etc.
Indeed...
Ethics is the key, I agree completely... but I really wasn't trying to pull a fast one. I really don't do that. I though I was selling it at a good price. I would have punched you if you told me it was a D10 a week ago... I only have 4 Larrivee guitars (including this one) and I know more about electrics than I do about acoustics... and I have spent a LOT on a good ol' Les Paul... so it didn't seem out of the ordinary... I am not a gouger... really not. And usually concider myself thrifty.
Not after what I went through to get it.
Man... he sold it to me good. I really believed him.. and I loved it so, that I never bothered to check it.
I kind of owe you an apology there man... not bad for a 23 year old... where in the UK or OZ are you from?
Regarding oil... that is another galaxy... let's leave that for another day... and another forum, international politics between us could get rough. HAHAHAHA
it's been a LONG day, I think I am going to open a bottle of wine and play a Lerrivee. D-10... can't believe it.
Edac, let bygones be bygones. You know, I've made some of my bestest friends from disagreements upon first meeting. I tend to have strong opinions, and I've been told I have a stedfast strong personality, sometimes it's hard to get along with me :UND>. But...there's a light at the end of the tunnel...No hard feelings, welcome to the forum. I do owe you an apology. I let my emotions get the best of me as well sometimes. I also don't think you are a criminal or anything, I honestly believe now that you were just uninformed. Forgive me. I was actually born in the states. My father however is from ireland , and sometimes his lingo rubs off on me. Good luck with your sale, I'm sure it will find a good home. -Andrew
PS...you should consider keeping the D-10 :TON>
good night and good luck eh.