I'm wondering, can your ears hear the difference between a Larrivee glossy and a Larrivee satin finished guitar?
I've liked almost all the satin finish Larrivee's I've played, but have not liked many of the glossies. Just coincidence? Same woods and sizes...
There was one glossie I really liked though, and it seemed to have more lushness with overtones. It was an OM-09 rosewood. There was also an 09 parlor I liked. But mostly, the glossies seem relatively deader. My imagination or just the luck of the draw, so to speak?
Quote from: LoMa on March 28, 2012, 07:28:29 PM
I'm wondering, can your ears hear the difference between a Larrivee glossy and a Larrivee satin finished guitar?
The only difference I can hear is the sound of my arm rubbing against the satin finish. I prefer the gloss.
:+1: buts its no big deal,it doesn't stop me.
Quote from: LoMa on March 28, 2012, 07:28:29 PM
I'm wondering, can your ears hear the difference between a Larrivee glossy and a Larrivee satin finished guitar?
I've liked almost all the satin finish Larrivee's I've played, but have not liked many of the glossies. Just coincidence? Same woods and sizes...
There was one glossie I really liked though, and it seemed to have more lushness with overtones. It was an OM-09 rosewood. There was also an 09 parlor I liked. But mostly, the glossies seem relatively deader. My imagination or just the luck of the draw, so to speak?
I totally agree with you. The gloss just doesn't sound as alive to me. Maybe it's just in my head, but I have done A LOT of a/b testing and I always go for the satin finish soundwise.
I do plan on getting an L-09 someday though as that is the wood/body/finish combo that JCLh says in interviews is 'his' recipe for the best guitar sound he hears.
I've tended to prefer the 03's but I wonder how much thicker the gloss really is.
There are a couple things I think some don't realize. One is that the satin finished Larrivee's don't have a thin finish compared to what a really thin finish is. The other is that gloss finishes aren't necessarily thicker than satin(I'm talking about guitar finishing in general).
We know Larrivee uses more coats and Jean has said there's twice the thickness on the gloss models but I don't know if he meant the final finish is literally twice as thick or if he just meant twice is much is applied. Some of it gets sanded and polished off but we don't how thick each is unless someone measures it.
Of the satins, an OM-03 (sapele) I tried in Sam Ash a few years ago sounded excellent, but an L-03R I bought new online was uninspiring. An L-05 and an LV-09 were the two best Larrivees I've played. The first I owned and the second was one I should have bought at Sam Ash. So, for me, the jury's out for now ...
Quote from: jeremy3220 on March 28, 2012, 10:36:47 PM
I've tended to prefer the 03's but I wonder how much thicker the gloss really is.
There are a couple things I think some don't realize. One is that the satin finished Larrivee's don't have a thin finish compared to what a really thin finish is. The other is that gloss finishes aren't necessarily thicker than satin(I'm talking about guitar finishing in general).
I don't know about the thickness of the Larrivee satin finish, but the Larrivee gloss feels thicker than the gloss finish on my Martin OM-21SP or my Eastman E10OM. But maybe that's the difference between a nitro finish and Larrivee's poly finish? Or maybe the nitro seems more fragile and so appears to be thinner?
I got a lot of ignorance!
I wonder why most higher priced guitars from just about every guitar company use gloss is it for aesthetics only ?.
I think the variable,s in wood plus, nut, saddle, strings play more of a factor than finish in the guitars sound.
I play both satin neck gloss body :humour:
Quote from: crescent on March 29, 2012, 01:04:17 AM
I play both satin neck gloss body :humour:
My well used Larrivee's have greatly improved on already excellent sound as my hands have glossed the necks
Quote from: crescent on March 29, 2012, 01:04:17 AM
I think the variable,s in wood plus, nut, saddle, strings play more of a factor than finish in the guitars sound.
(I totally agree :+1: :smile:)
There are a lot of comments regarding the finish and how it affects the sound under the thread about Queequeg's L that Peter Cree just finished. I don't see how to attach the quotes from that thread to this one so I will just say...
Seems that the poly finish used on the Larrivee's, when removed, really opens up the sound. He uses (or used on guitars in the past) a nitro finish and the folks that replied about theirs said it really changed the sound on their guitars (forum members "jwb" and "dermot"). Peter commented that he has done around 10 Larrivee's and the tonal difference isn't subtle but rather a dynamic improvement in top movement. A huge "opening"...
This leads me to think that the gloss finish would inhibit the sound more than the satin as it is heavier / thicker and makes the top slightly stiffer. Not that I have a problem with the sound on my OM-50. I love it! But, after following Peter's thread and reading the comments I have been thinking how much better it would sound / respond to have the finish removed and replaced with Peter's nitro finish. Hmmmm! Much food for thought.
Quote from: LoMa on March 29, 2012, 12:52:59 AM
I don't know about the thickness of the Larrivee satin finish, but the Larrivee gloss feels thicker than the gloss finish on my Martin OM-21SP or my Eastman E10OM. But maybe that's the difference between a nitro finish and Larrivee's poly finish?
I don't know about Larrivee's process or specific finish material but some poly finishes can be applied very thin.
I would have to say that my D03-RE seemed to open up much quicker than a normal gloss finish. I am not particularly partial to either one per se , but a gloss finish will hold more resale value it seems. i love the look and feel of a shiny new guitar and I was slightly disappointed when I opened the case after purchasing mine and it not having as strong of a "new guitar smell in the case" ,lol! If they would make one of those car trees in that scent , I would hang them everywhere!
Jean L has stated before that both models are excellent guitars with very high build quality. As for initial sound, he says that the 03 series will open sooner; but that the 09 series will sound better "in the long run". The economist John Maynard Keynes, however, is the one credited with saying that "in the long run we will all be dead". So as your L-09 approaches its peak sound you will be in the ground (which rhymes and is therefore a good potential song lyric).
I have an L-09. Every week it gets a little bit better and nicer; and I am very proud of that guitar. In retrospect I should probably have bought a used one and would likely pay more for one that mint and over 10 years old (kind of like paying more for a 20 foot blue spruce versus a 5 foot blue spruce). All we ever get in life is time, really. I can confirm for you that every L-03R I play in a store sounds more "alive" and "woody" than my L-09. But the gap is closing. So hopefully I live a long life....
personally i hear a huge difference in gloss vs satin
Having simultaneously owned two identical larrivee guitars except for finish, I can say that there definitely is a difference in tone. I now own only the glossy one, it sounds more refined, brilliant, glassy. The matte one had a more in your face "square" tone that I can absolutely see how some people prefer.
It might be argued that the glossy finish somehow damages the tone but I would think a master luthier has that figured out and compensated for.
Quote from: frankhond on March 29, 2012, 05:13:46 PM
It might be argued that the glossy finish somehow damages the tone but I would think a master luthier has that figured out and compensated for.
I'm not sure if you're serious but I've never heard of a luthier using thicker finish to improve the tone or of anyway to compensate for it.
Just sticking to Larrivee guitars, I have to say the satin ones are by far the tone winners. At least when they are new and even after several years sometimes.
Nitro finishes and other thin finished "Gloss" guitars are a different matter.
I like the sound of both. To me, there is a smoothness to the gloss and a brightness to the satin.
I think there are always different variables in play that make it difficult to tie the tone down to any one cause. I once owned a gloss L-05 that was brimming with sparkle and later a satin L-03R that seemed rather dark and subdued. It could be that in these cases the tonewoods made a more significant impression on the tone than did the different finishes.
Quote from: Dotneck on March 28, 2012, 08:45:47 PM
The only difference I can hear is the sound of my arm rubbing against the satin finish. I prefer the gloss.
Lol... The difference for me is my arm sticking to the gloss surface like sitting on a vinyl covered seat with shorts on. That's why I like Pearse armrests on either.
I guess the fact that all of my Larrivees are satin means I prefer satin. Actually, I do prefer the satin. They tend to sound a bit better when I a/b similar material guitars from the same manufacturer. I figured out a while ago that it is better *for me* to buy a guitar based on how it sounds *now* than to hope for some magical "break in" fairy to come along and improve it.
Ed
I prefer the satin over the gloss.. The gloss is overkill in my opinion.. did you see how much that one dude scraped off the top when he did the painting job?? every single bit of that gloss dampens the sound. it's the same effect for the top of the guitar being covered as putting cotton in your ears.. does it make you hear better? :humour: I think they could use 80% less gloss and it would be better. Who cares how great a guitar will sound in 25 years, it's about how a guitar sounds right now, unless you are collecting it as art... which is how I see most top end models of all guitars regardless of who makes it. :guitar
Quote from: Jscott on March 30, 2012, 10:32:23 AM
I prefer the satin over the gloss.. The gloss is overkill in my opinion.. did you see how much that one dude scraped off the top when he did the painting job?? every single bit of that gloss dampens the sound. it's the same effect for the top of the guitar being covered as putting cotton in your ears..
yeah...did you ever listen to a Larrivee with a glossy finish? All those 05, 09, 10 and Presentatiopn models sound like they are stuffed with socks...I've even heard some Gibsons that sound better than glossed up Larrivees. And everybody knows that Gibsons sound horrible...
:? :wacko: :?
I have a l-09 yes the one with the extra thick overkill gloss tone killer finish ? the guitar was purchased from a friend for me it,s 7 years old and was played daily. The guitar has opened up and sounds amazing better than a satin maybe not but to my ear she,s about as good as it get,s. :guitar
Quote from: Jscott on March 30, 2012, 10:32:23 AM
I prefer the satin over the gloss.. The gloss is overkill in my opinion.. did you see how much that one dude scraped off the top when he did the painting job?? every single bit of that gloss dampens the sound. it's the same effect for the top of the guitar being covered as putting cotton in your ears.. does it make you hear better? :humour: I think they could use 80% less gloss and it would be better. Who cares how great a guitar will sound in 25 years, it's about how a guitar sounds right now, unless you are collecting it as art... which is how I see most top end models of all guitars regardless of who makes it. :guitar
So it's the
gloss that ruins the sound not the poly. All those people who polished their satin guitars ruined the sound! Now can you tell us how many angels dance on the head of a pin? :roll
Well, I do know that the two glossies I really did like seemed ot have a different kind of sound than th esatin equivalents - smoother somehow and with more going on in a subtle way - a greater complexity. Could have just those individual instruments were remarkable, or the other glossies wre simply unremarkable in comaprison for some reason.
I wanted other experience to give a clue about whether or not my ears are fooling me about a discernable tonal difference between the satin and gloss models...
Quote from: cke on March 30, 2012, 11:54:42 AM
So it's the gloss that ruins the sound not the poly. All those people who polished their satin guitars ruined the sound! Now can you tell us how many angels dance on the head of a pin? :roll
Yes, the gloss is evil. We all need to be on the look out for it. The gloss is a devious creature who kills its prey by dampening them to death. You may not even know it's there or be able to see it. One day you'll rub an elbow against your guitar or wipe down your neck and see something a little different; something shiny and appealing but what is really happening is a horrific transformation that will ultimately result in the death of your beloved guitars. Beware the
gloss! Once it creeps in you cannot escape the pestilence of its sinister grip.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-WC_EPBf6SzQ/TaycO1wT20I/AAAAAAAAAG8/eZnSqZhZfkg/s1600/nosferatu.jpg)
Quote from: jeremy3220 on March 30, 2012, 01:07:31 PM
Yes, the gloss is evil. We all need to be on the look out for it. The gloss is a devious creature who kills its prey by dampening them to death. You may not even know it's there or be able to see it. One day you'll rub an elbow against your guitar or wipe down your neck and see something a little different; something shiny and appealing but what is really happening is a horrific transformation that will ultimately result in the death of your beloved guitars. Beware the gloss! Once it creeps in you cannot escape the pestilence of its sinister grip.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-WC_EPBf6SzQ/TaycO1wT20I/AAAAAAAAAG8/eZnSqZhZfkg/s1600/nosferatu.jpg)
Be sure to sand any gloss areas so they don't spread and ruin the guitar!!!!! :roll
Quote from: Jscott on March 30, 2012, 10:32:23 AM
The gloss is overkill in my opinion.. did you see how much that one dude scraped off the top when he did the painting job?? every single bit of that gloss dampens the sound. it's the same effect for the top of the guitar being covered as putting cotton in your ears..
It's gloss not glass. Glossy or satin finish is still going to flex with the vibrations of the top. You would probably be very surprised at the amount of satin finish that Peter scrapes off when doing a 03 series guitar.
Take a look Here (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=132653610326&set=o.61139122760&type=3&theater) and use the previous arrow to scroll through the pictures of the f-III build to see the steps involved with a satin finish (keep clicking the previous button because the photos of finishing are not all in order, there are other pics of production interspersed). There are pictures that show the sanding prior to the final satin coat that look like the guitars were dipped in a vat of clear coat.
Like these
(http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1979_133117535326_663855326_6091114_2267_n.jpg)
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Quote from: Mr_LV19E on March 30, 2012, 01:53:28 PM
It's gloss not glass.
who said glass? I know from personal experience that the Satin models project about twice as well as the Gloss ones.. with multiple people having the same unbiased opinion. I expect high end larrivee owners to defend them, goes with the territory, but if people are trying to say they don't.. then their ears are broke :gotdonuts:
I've owned many satin Larrivees and several glossy ones. I can't say that the satin finish guitars sounded better because they were satin. Just doesn't work that way to my ear. I think each and every guitar, glossy or satin, can be a great sounding guitar or a dud. My OO-50 was stellar and my FIV, the same. I also used to own an OM-05MT that was a stinker and my first Larrivee, an OM-03R was really not very good. It comes down to whether you like it or not. If you like satin, buy satin...etc.
Quote from: Strings4Him on March 29, 2012, 06:38:56 PM
I like the sound of both. To me, there is a smoothness to the gloss and a brightness to the satin.
I agree, I own two 09 series and two 03 series (1 mahogany and 1 rosewood). I would say that, that is my observation as well.
Quote from: Jscott on March 30, 2012, 02:02:25 PM
who said glass? I know from personal experience that the Satin models project about twice as well as the Gloss ones.. with multiple people having the same unbiased opinion. I expect high end larrivee owners to defend them, goes with the territory, but if people are trying to say they don't.. then their ears are broke :gotdonuts:
The glass comment was tongue in cheek, inferring that gloss is more flexible than glass(I'm aware you never used the word glass). I can appreciate that your personal experience is what it is and that mine is different than yours, but I wouldn't consider mine biased as I own both. As a matter of fact I have a gloss, a satin and a glossed satin that all project well but are all different in body style, bridge configuration, wood choice and sound characteristics.
The LS-03 Italian Spruce over Mahogany with the 12 fret neck is the loudest guitar I own followed by the LV-19 Sitka Spruce over East Indian Rosewood which does not have a heavy gloss finish (just gloss) and then the OM-03MT which I sanded and then glossed comes in last but still is plenty loud enough to play along with a bunch of Dread's. I am not trying to defend high end Larrivee guitars, I just believe there are too many variables in construction and wood choices (including 2 pieces of the same species) to definitively say that the difference that you hear is caused by the finish. BTW, that finish that Peter put on Marks guitar is gloss and it is thinner than the satin finish that Larrivee uses.
I supplied a link and a couple of pictures, did you take a close look at those? They apply some of that finish with a sponge.
Quote from: mattd on March 30, 2012, 01:39:54 PM
Be sure to sand any gloss areas so they don't spread and ruin the guitar!!!!! :roll
hmmm.... Normally I give the
Gloss a virgin at the stroke of midnight so that he will be distracted and find himself far from his crypt, where he normally sleeps, when the -CENSORED- crows at the first light of day so that he is devoured in the rays of the sun.
But I might try your suggestion next time.
Quote from: Jscott on March 30, 2012, 02:02:25 PM
who said glass? I know from personal experience that the Satin models project about twice as well as the Gloss ones.. with multiple people having the same unbiased opinion. I expect high end larrivee owners to defend them, goes with the territory, but if people are trying to say they don't.. then their ears are broke :gotdonuts:
I wouldn't take such a hard line on the issue. You don't know how much thicker the finish is on gloss Larrivee's and satin finished Larrivee's don't have a thin finish anyway.
I mean if you think the finish thickness makes that much of a difference why do you have a guitar with such a thick finish?
Quote from: Jscott on March 30, 2012, 02:02:25 PM
who said glass? I know from personal experience that the Satin models project about twice as well as the Gloss ones.. with multiple people having the same unbiased opinion. I expect high end larrivee owners to defend them, goes with the territory, but if people are trying to say they don't.. then their ears are broke :gotdonuts:
Admit it you wish you had one of those high end Larrivee gloss envy :humour:
The satin finish on my L-03W doesn't feel thick. I can feel the wood grain on it. I don't know how they could make it any thinner than it is. The D-09 I am familiar with does have a very thick gloss coating. I think my L-03W sounds better, plus was 1/3 the cost...
God, I love my Larri :nana_guitar
I think satin looks nice and I think gloss looks nice... If I had to choose one, I would choose satin for acoustic guitars, but I like the gloss on my Tele, even the gloss neck (something I don't like on acoustics). I really like the look and sound of the 03 series, but I wouldn't go as far as to say I could easily tell the difference between an L03R and an L09 just by listening. What I really don't like are guitars with gloss tops and satin back and sides. I don't understand why people like that aesthetic, but different strokes for different folks.
Quote from: jeremy3220 on March 30, 2012, 04:36:29 PM
hmmm.... Normally I give the Gloss a virgin at the stroke of midnight so that he will be distracted and find himself far from his crypt, where he normally sleeps, when the -CENSORED- crows at the first light of day so that he is devoured in the rays of the sun.
But I might try your suggestion next time.
So where do you find so many virgins these days? :roll
Quote from: cke on March 30, 2012, 05:47:50 PM
So where do you find so many virgins these days? :roll
Cat hoarder support groups.
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Quote from: kvader on March 30, 2012, 05:11:20 PM
The satin finish on my L-03W doesn't feel thick. I can feel the wood grain on it. I don't know how they could make it any thinner than it is.
The fact that you can sand the flat layer off then buff it out with a power tool means it could be thinner. Once you polish a satin finished Larrivee it doesn't look so thin. I wasn't worried about sanding through like I would be with some of my other guitars. I'm not putting Larrivee's down. If the guitar sounds good, it is good. My point was don't boast and put down other guitars for having a thick finish when yours isn't all that thin.
Quote from: LoMa on March 28, 2012, 07:28:29 PM
I'm wondering, can your ears hear the difference between a Larrivee glossy and a Larrivee satin finished guitar?
Yes, and I'm pretty sure anybody could easily hear the difference. What's the difference? Swish versus no-swish. I personally don't care for the swishy sound so I generally opt for gloss finish.
And I agree with the earlier statement about some folks having "gloss-envy" and trying to find reasons why satin is actually better sounding to their ears. In all honesty, the sound coming out of the soundhole sound pretty much the same to my ears. No need to defend the less-costly Larrivee line, they are ALL fantastic guitars, from the 03 all the way up to the nicely appointed 11 series. Larrivee is one of the few companies that offers high-quality yet affordable guitars.
Well.. to the gloss envy comments, All I can say is I decided to sell my D-09.. and they now have it at Guitar Center in Indianapolis for 2500 bucks if anyone is interested. I found another guitar that I liked better, and I won't mention the name as not to start another VS issue. The next Larrivee I buy will either be a Satin Model or a 25 year old Gloss Model, but it definitely won't be a brand new gloss.. The 03's are the series I'd for for and hopefully find a special run that includes higher end appointments that I like. I played a few Larrivees today and it just re-confirmed what at least me and few others here think, the gloss models do not project as well as the satin models... Maybe once the gloss models are a decade old they do, but not off the shelf for sure. :guitar
I just bought an LV09 Custom Larrivee and it's glossed up to the hilt and let me tell you it sounds GREAT!!!! I've always been a mahogany guy and this guitar brought me back to rosewood and so happy about it. The biggest reason I think is that it's a twelve fretter. It's loud and oh so sweet.
And this from a guy who's owned seven Larrys, a couple of which were satin. I will admit that my Forum III, satin of course, is a stellar sounding guitar.
Larrivees sound great no matter what overcoat they're wearing!
Quote from: gtrplayer on March 30, 2012, 07:47:15 PM
Larrivees sound great no matter what overcoat they're wearing!
:+1: congrats on the guitar!!!
lol @ gloss envy.. it's more like satin envy :bowdown:
This would seem to be a very interesting and equally complicated topic. While I am the first to admit I am no expert on sound mechanics, I have read some studies that show us that the effect of a finish on a wood instrument (in most cases said studies are on violins, violas and cellos) is multifactorial and much more complicated that just the thickness of the finish. Finish can effect sound dampenning and relative ratios of sound velocity to sound density(meaning that certain varnishes have the capacity to allow thinner sound woods.) allowing an increase in dynamic range. Also, the steps taken between the application of oils or varnish can also cause a significant enhancement or impediment of the final sound.
(see Empirical Tools in Contemporary Violin Making:Part I. Analysis of Design, Materials, Varnish,and Normal Modes, Martin Schleske)
Now I won't pretend to understand even a fraction of the studies these sound physics geeks talk about, but what I take from it is that to produce a superior sound takes a very fine tuned balance of a multitude of factors and the finish is an integral part of that configuration. The single fact that one finish might me slightly thicker than the next would not necessarily mean the sound on the former instrument would be diminished. I leave it to the master luthiers to figure out that balance. To me , my D-10 and L-10's prove that the Larrivee's have done that. Now it is time to stop reading these mind numbing articles and go play my guitar!
Wow three page's with all sorts of stuff to answer a simple question "can your ears hear a differance" between satin or gloss finish's.AMAZING.
Quote from: unclrob on March 30, 2012, 10:52:57 PM
Wow three page's with all sorts of stuff to answer a simple question "can your ears hear a differance" between satin or gloss finish's.AMAZING.
The simple answer for me is "no".
And if someone says they can they must be inhaling too many whippits. :humour:
Quote from: Mr_LV19E on March 31, 2012, 11:34:20 AM
The simple answer for me is "no".
And if someone says they can they must be inhaling too many whippits. :humour:
As guitars are different so are ears.I own both but alas one is an OM satin the others are gloss LS's.When compairing the OM maple to the LS maple I hear no difference except for body style's and age the OM is from the 2000's and the LS is from the 90's.Both sound great but different,whether that is because of finish,body shape or age I don't know.Then again does it matter its all subjective.Whether one has a thicker/thinner finish again I don't know and again does it really matter as they both bring me joy and happiness.So play what feels and sounds best to your ears and hands and ENJOY.... :guitar
Quote from: unclrob on March 31, 2012, 12:18:00 PM
As guitars are different so are ears.I own both but alas one is an OM satin the others are gloss LS's.When compairing the OM maple to the LS maple I hear no difference except for body style's and age the OM is from the 2000's and the LS is from the 90's.Both sound great but different,whether that is because of finish,body shape or age I don't know.Then again does it matter its all subjective.Whether one has a thicker/thinner finish again I don't know and again does it really matter as they both bring me joy and happiness.So play what feels and sounds best to your ears and hands and ENJOY.... :guitar
See, your already talking like an executive (see other thread (http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=39783.0)). And don't think I didn't notice the spelling up above, you got yourself a sexratary didn't you?
P.S. :+1:
Quote from: Mr_LV19E on March 31, 2012, 11:34:20 AM
And if someone says they can they must be inhaling too many whippits. :humour:
:roll
Just had an 80's flashback reading that. Most of my friends stopped doing whippits after one of our buddies turned purple and passed out. And I mean PURPLE. Never saw that happen before, never again either.
A guitar with gloss allows the wood in all its splendor to truly show.
Satin is like looking through a slightly frosted window pane.
Also, a gloss guitar does offer more protection--according to Larrivee customer service.
Quote from: Strings4Him on March 31, 2012, 12:52:53 PM
Satin is like looking through a slightly frosted window pane.
Or cataracts.
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I think we all can agree either satin or gloss both are fine guitars to say one is better than the other is a personal thing just play what sounds good to you and be happy with your purchase. :nana_guitar
I had an OMV-3 and sold it to buy a LV-05. I found that the first (satin finish) had significantly more volume and sustain then the latter. I preferred the gloss finish.
One man's opinion.
Quote from: old beginner on April 01, 2012, 09:45:18 AM
I had an OMV-3 and sold it to buy a LV-05. I found that the first (satin finish) had significantly more volume and sustain then the latter.
Strange that the L-body had LESS sustain and volume than the OM, since the L-body is 1/2" deeper and a wider lower bout. :?
6,12,15,19,19 1,14,4 19,1,20,9,14 1,18,4 20,8,5 10,1,13,5 6,9,14,9,19,8.
Quote from: GA-ME on April 01, 2012, 03:31:03 PM
6,12,15,19,19 1,14,4 19,1,20,9,14 1,18,4 20,8,5 10,1,13,5 6,9,14,9,19,8.
Is this in code?
Quote from: GA-ME on April 01, 2012, 03:31:03 PM
6,12,15,19,19 1,14,4 19,1,20,9,14 1,18,4 20,8,5 10,1,13,5 6,9,14,9,19,8.
The limit does not exist.
I like the satin finish in gloss or satin.
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa242/daddyo12453/Glossed%20OM-03MT/ombeforeafter2_1_1.jpg)
Quote from: Mr_LV19E on April 01, 2012, 11:24:04 PM
I like the satin finish in gloss or satin.
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa242/daddyo12453/Glossed%20OM-03MT/ombeforeafter2_1_1.jpg)
After all I said how I like the look of gloss I forgot about the OM-03mt that is one fine looking guitar all mahogany almost hit the email to purchase one.
I prefer the satin, but when plugged in I never have found a difference. It is all subjective, but its also just an opinion