T-40 vs P-03

[trebuh]

Hi,

I come from a Baranik Retreux Parlor that I had to resell due to a hand injury.

After a few years off I'm looking for a T-40 or a P-03 as my main guitar and for finger picking only.

The T-40 is closer to the Baranik in terms of dimension.
But I wonder about the 22.8" scale.
I don't realize if the spacing between the frets is still suitable for "complex chords" for example (with a small/medium-sized adult hand) or if I will be cramped ?


Thank you very much.

[gtrplayer]

The T-40's nut width is 1 3/4" and the saddle spacing is 2 1/4" with a scale length of 22.8". 

With the exception of the scale length the other measurements are quite common.  So you could capo up on any guitar to reach 22.8" to see if "is still suitable for complex chords". 

Heartbreaker guitars has a few videos of the T-40;

https://heartbreakerguitars.com/collections/larrivee-guitars/products/larrivee-t40-legacy-travel-guitar-134060-spruce-over-mahogany 

IMO you should be fine with "with a small/medium-sized adult hand".

[trebuh]

The T-40's nut width is 1 3/4" and the saddle spacing is 2 1/4" with a scale length of 22.8". 

With the exception of the scale length the other measurements are quite common.  So you could capo up on any guitar to reach 22.8" to see if "is still suitable for complex chords". 

Heartbreaker guitars has a few videos of the T-40;

https://heartbreakerguitars.com/collections/larrivee-guitars/products/larrivee-t40-legacy-travel-guitar-134060-spruce-over-mahogany 

IMO you should be fine with "with a small/medium-sized adult hand".

Hi,

1 3/4" and 2 1/4" is exactly what I had on my Baranik.

So that's good, the question is more about the gap between the frets.
But I used to use the Baranik with a capo in the second or third fret without any problem.

The Baranik was 24.5" so how do I know which fret would have been the equivalent of 22.8"?

Thanks again !

[gtrplayer]

Measure out 22.8" from the saddle and place the capo approximately there.  That should give you somewhat of the feel.     

Check out the videos from Heartbreaker it appears like the guys playing the T-40 aren't having any difficulties playing.

[gtrplayer]

"But I used to use the Baranik with a capo in the second or third fret without any problem."


With what you say above you're already there at 22.8" most likely.


One other consideration to remember the T-40 is a 14 fret giving you more than say a 12 fret. 

[Mikeymac]

The feel of the T-40 will also depend on how you tune it: E to e; F# to f#; G to g, etc.

If you tune it E to e, it's going to feel very loosy goosy with that short scale. Just capoing up on a standard guitar will help with the feel between the frets, but not the feel of the string tension.

[eded]

The P is a 24" scale which will be close to the Baranik.

FWIW, the 24" scale capo'd at the first fret is pretty close to 22.8.  That means that if you capo'd a 25.5" scale guitar at the 2nd fret, you'd be very close to that 22.8.  If the nut on the 25.5" scale is 1 3/4, it will be a little less I mean more at the 2nd fret.

Also FWIW, the T-40 is made to be tuned to standard tuning (E-e).  

Medium strings on parlors (24" scale) is nearly identical tension as lights on a 25.5" scale.  Mediums on the 22.8" scale would be looser, but I don't think it would be unplayable.  What strings did you use on the Baranik?

Good luck making a decision.  

I'd like to try a T, but for now P's are my perfect sized guitar.

Ed

[B0WIE]

Two very different instruments. You've gotta ask yourself if you want a tenor, or a standard guitar. YouTube might be of help there.

[eded]

Two very different instruments. You've gotta ask yourself if you want a tenor, or a standard guitar. YouTube might be of help there.

Very good suggestion...  YouTube.  Unfortunately, there are no a/b videos that I can find. 

Ed

[Mikeymac]

 
If the nut on the 25.5" scale is 1 3/4, it will be a little less at the 2nd fret.

I think you probably meant it will be a little more (or wider) capoed at the 2nd fret (the neck gets wider as you go up to the body...).

[eded]

I think you probably meant it will be a little more (or wider) capoed at the 2nd fret (the neck gets wider as you go up to the body...).

Duh...   spatially challenged I guess.   

Ed

[trebuh]

Hello,
Thank you for all your reply !

It will be tune in E-e.
On the Baranik I used 12-53 strings E-e tuned.

I can't find the string gauge on the Larrivee website.
T-40 and P-03 are both in 12-54 ?

This is to me the big advantage of the T-40's 22.8" (i like Chet Atkins  )
https://youtu.be/LnpffUM62ok?t=244

Another consideration to me is that I live in Europe (France) and here Larrivee's are extremely difficult to find 
Currently in stock there is only one 0-40 R.
So if I want something else I'll have to place a custom order.

[eded]

Hello,
Thank you for all your reply !

It will be tune in E-e.
On the Baranik I used 12-53 strings E-e tuned.

I can't find the string gauge on the Larrivee website.
T-40 and P-03 are both in 12-54 ?


Another consideration to me is that I live in Europe (France) and here Larrivee's are extremely difficult to find 
Currently in stock there is only one 0-40 R.
So if I want something else I'll have to place a custom order.

Every parlor I have bought came with mediums, 13-56.  I prefer bluegrass, 12-56, the low strings are like a medium set and the high strings are from a light set.  It gives me a better balance.  I tried to find the strings they put on T's but couldn't. I would bet they are mediums.

If you are able to try that 0, it would help you decide if it's the right guitar for you.

Ed

[trebuh]

Sadly i can't try the 0-40R.

I've listened all the T40 and P-0x videos of heartbreaker guitars, and I don't know if it's the mic or if it's what I want to hear but I find the sound of the T40s warmer than the P-0x.
What do you think ? Maybe it's the shortest scale ?

And again maybe it's the different mics but i found the Spruce / Indian Rosewood warmer (more low mids) than Spruce / Mahogany.

[B0WIE]

Sadly i can't try the 0-40R.

I've listened all the T40 and P-0x videos of heartbreaker guitars, and I don't know if it's the mic or if it's what I want to hear but I find the sound of the T40s warmer than the P-0x.
What do you think ? Maybe it's the shortest scale ?

And again maybe it's the different mics but i found the Spruce / Indian Rosewood warmer (more low mids) than Spruce / Mahogany.

Are they using the same tuning and playing the same song? Rosewood will be one of the least important factors when comparing two such different instruments.

[trebuh]

Same tuning but not the same songs.
This is a feeling of what I have heard as a whole.

I'm thinking of going with the T40 because of the size / scale / sound.

One of my "regrets" with the Baranik was that it sounded more like a normal guitar than a parlor.
It was colorado blue spruce over honduras rosewood.

I like warm sounds, and I don't mind not having the sound range of a larger guitar.
But i don't want boomy sound.
Also I only do fingerpicking (with my fingertips, not my nails).

So what do you think?

mahogany / mahogany
moon spruce / mahogany
moon spruce / walnut

Thank you !

[Traveler2233]

The feel of the T-40 will also depend on how you tune it: E to e; F# to f#; G to g, etc.

If you tune it E to e, it's going to feel very loosy goosy with that short scale.the feel between the frets, but not the feel of the string tension.

I bought one bc of failed hand surgery and by golly I can play this little fellow. Beautiful tone and easy to play. Wanted to add that I tune it E-E and it's not at all "loosy goosy." Wonderful little guitar that I fingerpick.

[Fingerling]

Yep, I've got a T-44 and it is not loosy goosey even with 11s on it, just easy and solid to play in standard tuning, it's not a Terz guitar.

[guitarman001]

Every parlor I have bought came with mediums, 13-56.  I prefer bluegrass, 12-56, the low strings are like a medium set and the high strings are from a light set.  It gives me a better balance.  I tried to find the strings they put on T's but couldn't. I would bet they are mediums.

If you are able to try that 0, it would help you decide if it's the right guitar for you.

Ed

Ditto re 12 bluegrass on parlour