I was just looking at some U tube vids, and it struck me that more musicians at both sides of the pond seem to play more Taylors than larrivees, actually I habent seen any stars play Larrivees (it could be my mistake). Any reason why?
I just sold my GS8 because it sounded very much like my L-19. I like the latter a bit more, So I kept my Larri.
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Quote from: nayoud on January 11, 2009, 02:07:48 PM
I was just looking at some U tube vids, and it struck me that more musicians at both sides of the pond seem to play more Taylors than larrivees, actually I habent seen any stars play Larrivees (it could be my mistake). Any reason why?
I just sold my GS8 because it sounded very much like my L-19. I like the latter a bit more, So I kept my Larri.
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any comments
Those professional musicians, what do they know. :humour:
Yeah ... they may not :humour: :humour: :humour:
I was reading something in a book on the amazon website and an author said that it is evident from the Larrivee design that Jean was originally a classical guitar luthier .... well I'm not a luthier and I don't know about guitar design, and I still dont know what that comment aims at accomplishing but the Taylor GS model seems very close if not "borrowed" from the L body .... the tone is not that different in comparison to Martins or Breedloves or other guitars ...
is this a marketing thing or am I missing something here .....
I love my two Larri's anyway
I've found anything in the 03 series better than any Taylor for the most part. So the decision is easy for me.
Out of 25 or so Taylors I've played only two were guitars I'd like to have: a surprising 310, and a koa englemann dread that had one of the best sweet/singing trebles I've heard on a guitar. Generally though I find Taylors ordinary and inactive.
My son has an all wood Sapele (not Laminate) Taylor 214 that is really a nice player and I have first right of refusal if he ever gets the itch to sell it. I think Taylor works really hard at marketing and promoting their guitars and has a bigger network of dealers. They also do a lot of nice work with special woods (ie R. Taylor, Liberty Tree guitars, etc) but Larrivee is the best kept secret in the guitar world IMHO and I think they do a better job for less. Jean Larrivee said he wants to put his guitars in the hands of players.
P.S. My son loves my Larrivee Parlor for fingerstyle blues.
I think both Taylor and Larrivee make excellent guitars. I have several Taylors and A Larrive LS-03 Hog with the FIII on order (excited about that). Right now I would say the nicest sounding guitar that I own is my Taylor 1996- 712c with a ventian cutaway. The wood must be opened up just right, because there is just something magical about the sound. And I think Taylor does a lot more marketing, and Larrivee markets by word of mouth from players and this FORUM, which I wish I had discoverd long ago. I have learned a lot by reading everyone's comments.
Quote from: nayoud on January 11, 2009, 02:20:53 PM
the Taylor GS model seems very close if not "borrowed" from the L body .... the tone is not that different in comparison to Martins or Breedloves or other guitars ...
That's a bit of a personal epiphany for me. That's probably why I prefer Larrivee OMs and Taylor GAs over Larrivee Ls and Taylor GSs (and most Martins and Breedloves for that matter)...
I would also imagine Taylor has a larger 'give away' budget than Larrivee. I'd bet dollars to donuts those celebs in the ads didn't pay for that guitar. Come to think of it, I've yet to see a Larrivee ad.
holly
None of my favorite musicians play a Taylor as far as I know.
Quote from: strawintogold on January 11, 2009, 05:13:47 PM
I would also imagine Taylor has a larger 'give away' budget than Larrivee. I'd bet dollars to donuts those celebs in the ads didn't pay for that guitar. Come to think of it, I've yet to see a Larrivee ad.
holly
Yes .... I agree with you :+1:
Quote from: strawintogold on January 11, 2009, 05:13:47 PM
I would also imagine Taylor has a larger 'give away' budget than Larrivee. I'd bet dollars to donuts those celebs in the ads didn't pay for that guitar. Come to think of it, I've yet to see a Larrivee ad.
holly
Holly,
Check out Acoustic Guitar magazine. Recent issues including the current issue have had a print ad with Jessie Farrell playing an LV-09E.
Word of mouth is still the best advertisement. If you look at the size and placement of the most recent Larrivee ad referenced by Lyric Girl, smaller ads that don't grace the inside front cover and aren't full page ads have been their trend for the past year or two. I'd rather see Jean Larrivee commit those dollars toward finding wood (Silver Oak, Mahogany, Flamed Maple, Lacewood etc.) for guitars.
Just thinking out loud here but if I ran Larrivee's PR/Sales Department, I would include a card in the case of every Forum III guitar inviting the purchaser to submit a photo of them with their guitar in action (on the couch, at church or the local club, wherever) and post all of them to their web site. How cool would that be if they started offering a limited/special edition guitar designed with input by their customers annually? It would certainly start the year off with a bang.
P.S. Even though I have a Larrivee, I still want a Taylor Leo Kottke Signature Model 12 string too. They are great guitars.
There is a Taylor LKSM 12 string for sale on our forum listed by guitom
I love Taylors, Martins and Larrivees, all for their various personalities and qualities, but recently I had to make some choices to cut down my stock of guitars. In recent years, I've figured out I like the bass orientation of a Martin, but the feel of a Taylor. Larrivee L bodies give me the best of both.
I cut out a bunch of my guitars because of a fragile job situation, which has since become more stable. In discovering the Larrivee line and great compromise it gives me, I wonder if I will go back to having as many guitars as I once had. It would be nice to simply fall in love with the Larrivees and not have to.
As for the proliferation of other brands on tv and on stage, could it be a matter of having an artist relations manager who has the freedom to give away more guitars than whomever at Larrivee can?
IMHO, Larrivees and Taylors are two very different animals. :cheers
I like em all . . . . different but all good!!
and: I would also imagine Taylor has a larger 'give away' budget than Larrivee. I'd bet dollars to donuts those celebs in the ads didn't pay for that guitar. Well, that's just not the case. I'll take the dollars instead of the donuts . . . :smile:
Quote from: Roman on January 12, 2009, 12:57:41 PM
I like em all . . . . different but all good!!
and: I would also imagine Taylor has a larger 'give away' budget than Larrivee. I'd bet dollars to donuts those celebs in the ads didn't pay for that guitar. Well, that's just not the case. I'll take the dollars instead of the donuts . . . :smile:
and you are basing this on?
holly
I have heard some good Taylors, but I have also heard some real duds.
I have yet to hear a bad Larrivee, it is just me personal observation that Larrivee's are more consistant.
Probably has more to do with production methods than design. Could be a number thing or a quality control thing.
Remember it is said either Jean or Matthew touch every guitar coming from Oxnard.
03 Series any day over a Taylor of any kind. I have heard some good sounding Taylors though I don't like their 100 and 200 series models, way too expensive for what you get.
Quote from: PortHueneme on January 12, 2009, 01:18:22 PM
I have heard some good Taylors, but I have also heard some real duds.
I have yet to hear a bad Larrivee, it is just me personal observation that Larrivee's are more consistant.
Probably has more to do with production methods than design. Could be a number thing or a quality control thing.
Remember it is said either Jean or Matthew touch every guitar coming from Oxnard.
I've played a couple of Larrivees that were not so good. Seems to be the exeption; they are more consistent as you say -- the middle quality gits better than the Taylors. And of course the Larrivee sound flavor is very different. Many comment on the Larrivee being between a Martin and Taylor in sound. I don't hear that -- they seem more on the Lowden upfront fingerstyle side of things. If you hit or tap the strings around the soundhole on a Larrivee it has a quick percussive bounce back similar to a Lowden.
I think Taylors are very easy to play and I'm sure that appeals to a lot of people, me included. Generally speaking I like the typical Larrivee sound over the Taylor sound. But on any given day, who knows.
Quote from: guitom on January 12, 2009, 03:35:15 PM
I think Taylors are very easy to play and I'm sure that appeals to a lot of people, me included.
Not me, they feel too much like an electric guitar.
In my opinion, both Taylor and Larrivee guitars are pretty consistent with regards to build and tonal characteristics. They do however each have a different signature sound, with fans on both sides of the aisle. IMHO, I think the Larrivee's are a better value, particulary if you compare the 3 series from both manufacturers.
Taylor produces a lot more guitars than Larrivee due to a highy automated production facility, and has deeper pockets, so it's not surprising to see more Taylor around.
~ Ray ~ :donut :donut :coffee
That's right. More marketing power does not create a superior guitar. It just means that Taylor is exposed to more people than Larrivee. As you can see, I own both, and I love both for the unique offerings they each bring to the table in production guitars.
My son plays Taylor. My only problem with them is the neck. When Taylor sawed off the neck of (dovetail) guitar he was working on(at 18). The Taylor brand was born. I will never get past the bolt-on neck. I saw Larrivee talking about his guitars and he said he would never change the neck. He believed that was too important in making a quality guitar.
I thought it was just me. I can't get past a bolt on neck either.
holly
None of my favorite players use Taylor, as well.
Shane & Shane - Breedlove (sponsored)
Bebo Norman - Everett and Larrivee
Chris Tomlin - Collings
In my world of music, Taylor is crap.
I can't get past the bolt on neck when you're paying $3,000+. On my 110... well that's ok... but on anything else really...NOT!
Quote from: lyric_girl on January 12, 2009, 08:46:11 PM
I can't get past the bolt on neck when you're paying $3,000+. On my 110... well that's ok... but on anything else really...NOT!
I agree ... bolt on necks are cheaper to reset though .....
cheers
Hisham
"can't get past the bolt on neck"
WHY???
I got past the bolt on neck when I played some Bourgeois' and Huss & Dalton's.
I don't see how a shimmed up dovetail filled with titebond is going to sound better than the compressed wood to wood joint of a bolt on neck. Anyone have any reason to believe the dovetail is superior.. other than people selling guitars with them say so?
I agree with Jeremy-
The vast number of high-end, well-respected luthiers who use bolt-on necks these days compels us to rid ourselves of our preconceived notions. To me, it's non-issue as I own both types, and I didn't make my purchase decision based on this feature. It's all about tone and playability. I respect all these builders regardless of which method they believe in; I'm just a guy who likes to play the guitars they build so well...
A neck reset is a fairly simple task (for a qualified technician) which would involve being without your instrument for a few days. Whereas, with a glued attachment it could mean a seperation of a few months. Can anyone provide evidence that a bolt on neck negatively impacts tone or volume? Does such a neck require more frequent resets?
DAVE
I don't think that it does impact anything practically.
But, I don't like it. For aesthtic and 'feel' reasons. And yes, for a LOT of makers is a cost saving step. It just so happens I don' t like Taylors, but I wouldn't without the neck, I'd imagine.
Um, we can express personal preference and base purchase on that, right? Because for most guitar players, that's pretty much the case.
holly
A neck reset is a fairly simple task (for a qualified technician)
Nothing simple about removing a fret, drilling some holes and if your lucky, steaming the neck joint apart without any finish damage. Oh, and a $500 neck reset vs. about five minutes (maybe $35 - $75).
This keeps being brought up, but really, when was the last time a quality acoustic needed a neck reset? I'm not talking old Gibsons, I'm saying you buy a Larrivee for instance? What do you have ten years? Never? It's not like it's maintenance.
holly
I thought I liked Taylors , then I played a Larrivee and was blown away, bright ,but not too bright , beautiful sustain and sound. I think Taylors are the new thing to get in acoustics, kinda like a Harley Davidson, its "cool to have one"
I also think that a lot of artists play them on stage but record with the classics, like the group America, they perform with Taylors but record with Gibsons and Martins I think.
I also think Taylors are way overpriced,for the price of a 810 I would rather buy a Santa Cruz DPW,or siimlar.
just my opinion,
dave
Quote from: DaveyO on January 13, 2009, 09:13:12 AM
I thought I liked Taylors , then I played a Larrivee and was blown away, bright ,but not too bright , beautiful sustain and sound. I think Taylors are the new thing to get in acoustics, kinda like a Harley Davidson, its "cool to have one"
I also think that a lot of artists play them on stage but record with the classics, like the group America, they perform with Taylors but record with Gibsons and Martins I think.
I also think Taylors are way overpriced,for the price of a 810 I would rather buy a Santa Cruz DPW,or siimlar.
just my opinion,
dave
Yes when you get in the upper range you are much better off with Santa Cruz, Bourgeois, and many others. Once in a shop I played a $3000 maple/sitka Taylor dread that sounded like a cardboard box in comparison to a Santa Cruz D they had there for around the same money -- not even close.
Quote from: jeremy3220 on January 12, 2009, 09:59:24 PM
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I got past the bolt on neck when I played some Bourgeois' and Huss & Dalton's.
I agree. Collings and Charles Fox to name two also use the bolt-on necks. I was hesitent at first, but now I love the idea of a bolt on neck.
Quote from: strawintogold on January 13, 2009, 07:17:58 AM
This keeps being brought up, but really, when was the last time a quality acoustic needed a neck reset? I'm not talking old Gibsons, I'm saying you buy a Larrivee for instance? What do you have ten years? Never? It's not like it's maintenance.
Depends on a lot of factors. I think Larrivee's builds their guitars really strong hoping they never need a neck reset. Consider that if your OM-03 should need a neck reset and a re-fret one day it will be 'totalled'. The repairs will probably cost more than the guitar is worth. The thing that really bothers me about Larrivee using the dovetail is that I have never heard of them doing a neck reset. I've heard of them shaving bridges and making totally new replacement guitars instead; that coupled with the fact that the repairs can cost close to the value of the guitar make some of them seem sort of disposable.
Another thing I can't stand about Taylor guitars is their neck. Compared to Breedlove and Larrivee, the neck just has too much wood. Definitely harder to play than other guitars in that quality range.
Quote from: rxblitzrx on January 13, 2009, 03:41:00 PM
Another thing I can't stand about Taylor guitars is their neck. Compared to Breedlove and Larrivee, the neck just has too much wood. Definitely harder to play than other guitars in that quality range.
See, it's just the opposite for me. As much as I love it, my Larrivee plays the hardest of all my guitars, but the sound makes it worth it. (Yes, it is set up to my specs.) It has a very tight feel compared with my Taylors that have a smoother, silky feel. (They also sound great to my ear.)I guess it has to do with personal taste. As I said before, I love both brands for different reasons. Actually, there's a lot of brands I happen to like. These two just seem to work best for me.
I think that Taylor's marketing DOES have a lot to do with their success. Granted, lots of people must really these guitars to sell as many as they do. I used to buy into the stereotypical "bright" description of Taylors, but that was because I had a sapelle back Jumbo (and at the time I was more into rosewood). When I registered my Taylor I got on the mailing list for their Wood & Steel Magazine. This is a highly produced magazine with lots of great photos, letters from players singing the praises of Taylors, a letter from Bob himself to the readers, artist profiles, etc.
I then got a Taylor product catalog. It was a BOOK, nearly 1/4" thick. On the opposite page of the specs for each model there was a full-page photo--someone
playing on a beach, a trendy looking metrosexual in an old record store, etc., etc. This develops IMAGE and ASSOCIATION for potential buyers. They covered ALL of the bases...I can't even imagine what their PR budget is with these publications, their "Road Shows", etc.
I got Larrivee's most recent catalog. It has a bland grey cover. It's about six pages (maybe only four). The pictures of the guitars are so small you can barely see them. Not a single photo of a person.
Compare the websites of these two companies and you'll see the same thing...check out the merchandise from Taylor...I'm surprised they haven't teamed up with Lexus to make a special Taylor Edition auto.
For me, I really don't care if lots of big name artists don't play Larries. We do! :nana_guitar
And many of us play Taylors too.
My three cents.
P
Quote from: jeremy3220 on January 12, 2009, 03:43:55 PM
Not me, they feel too much like an electric guitar.
If there is something I like about Taylors besides their quality (I'm talking GS series here) its their neck and its playability. Although I prefer bolt on necks on electric guitars (I have two fender strats) i just found myself gravitating towards a traditional dovetail on acoustic guitars like many on this forum . No particular reason besides being the traditional option. I know that bolt on necks are easier to maintain, and that I didn't notice any real difference between my Larrivess and my "ex-" Taylor with regards to sustain. Yet that did not matter. Should it ? No!
It seems that the technology has bridged some of the gap between dovetails and bolt on necks. Overall, preferring one over the other doesn't have to be logical ..... I chose to keep the Larrivee although I thought that the build of the Taylor was a bit stronger.
I might be :roll but there is something about sound that one cant explain in words....
Cheers :wave :wave :wave
Quote from: nayoud on January 13, 2009, 07:39:04 PM
If there is something I like about Taylors besides their quality (I'm talking GS series here) its their neck and its playability.
The GS I played had a decent sized neck, the other Taylor's I've played felt too thin. It didn't have anything to do with the neck joint btw.
Quote from: jeremy3220 on January 13, 2009, 08:20:05 PM
The GS I played had a decent sized neck, the other Taylor's I've played felt too thin. It didn't have anything to do with the neck joint btw.
While Taylor claims the same specs for the GS as its GA series, for instance, I too found them to be a bit clubby. But the GA neck feels much easier, and the GC (shortscale/ slotted headstock) neck is really fast!
BTW, are Taylors 25.5?
Quote from: hadden on January 13, 2009, 09:50:19 PM
BTW, are Taylors 25.5?
Most Taylors are 25.5 scale with a few exceptions. The Doyle Dykes signature model, the newer GC (Grande Concert; I'm not sure of the cut-off year when they went from 25.5 to short scale, but it's quite recent), some of the Anniversary models I believe are short scale and I'm fairly certain that any standard length model can be, with an upcharge, custom ordered as short scale. I did some research before I finally decided on my Larrivee LSV11e.
DAVE
Quote from: ncognito on January 13, 2009, 10:15:01 PM
Most Taylors are 25.5 scale with a few exceptions. The Doyle Dykes signature model, the newer GC (Grande Concert; I'm not sure of the cut-off year when they went from 25.5 to short scale, but it's quite recent), some of the Anniversary models I believe are short scale and I'm fairly certain that any standard length model can be, with an upcharge, custom ordered as short scale. I did some research before I finally decided on my Larrivee LSV11e.
DAVE
Thanks Dave, I noticed the newer Grand Concert was shorter scale (from a review I think) and I wondered if the standard models were too.
Quote from: jeremy3220 on January 12, 2009, 09:59:24 PM
"can't get past the bolt on neck"
WHY???
I got past the bolt on neck when I played some Bourgeois' and Huss & Dalton's.
I don't see how a shimmed up dovetail filled with titebond is going to sound better than the compressed wood to wood joint of a bolt on neck. Anyone have any reason to believe the dovetail is superior.. other than people selling guitars with them say so?
I agree. The sustain on my Guild CO-1 is terrific. The "bolt-on"/carbon fiber neck joint is awesome!!! I hope JCL and other skilled guitar makers are willing to experiment with them. Don't hate the bolt!
Quote from: Bruce Chiriani on January 13, 2009, 09:03:47 PM
While Taylor claims the same specs for the GS as its GA series, for instance, I too found them to be a bit clubby. But the GA neck feels much easier, and the GC (shortscale/ slotted headstock) neck is really fast!
Only the newer Taylor GCs (the change happened, I believe, within the last three years) are short scale; A number after the C designates the wood combinations used, for example a GC4 is spruce/ovangkol and a 6 designates spruce/maple... However, some are slot head and some paddle head. You'll have to check their website to get the detailed specs. I like the Taylor GCs; like that they are offered in different woods and headstocks. Taylor is a bigger company so they are better equipped to offer more options. Still I prefer my LSV. JCL's select woods and unique bracing which, to my ear, produce a woodier tone, as well as the LSV's slightly wider width at the nut facilitating easier fingerstyle play and note seperation combined with the typical Larrivee balanced tone influened my decision. Your comparison results may vary. :humour:
DAVE
Some days I like beer, some days I like wine. All good, only different. I enjoy each guitar for what makes "it" special. Yes, of course I like some better than others on a certain day, but I also like playing the field as my signature will attest.
Note to self: Update signature to include FIII #56
Quote from: hadden on January 13, 2009, 10:21:06 PM
Thanks Dave, I noticed the newer Grand Concert was shorter scale (from a review I think) and I wondered if the standard models were too.
For the record, all current Taylor GCs, whether pure acoustic or acoustic electric are short scale (24 7/8). All acoustic electrics feature a paddle headstock. In the pure acoustic line, the GC3 and GC4 have paddle heads, while the GC5-8 have slotted heads. The shortscale and/or slotted headstock can be custom ordered on any other standard model that doesn't already have these features. The various wood combo choices are consistent throughout the entire pure acoustic line, so the price and appointments remain the same regardless of the shape/size or wood combo you choose. Hope this helps...
Quote from: limnephilidae on January 13, 2009, 10:31:42 PM
I agree. The sustain on my Guild CO-1 is terrific. The "bolt-on"/carbon fiber neck joint is awesome!!! I hope JCL and other skilled guitar makers are willing to experiment with them. Don't hate the bolt!
I'm not tring to be a buzz kill but my local guy returned the first four of those he sold due to neck issues presented within the first year. They may have fixed it or maybe he got a bad batch, but if you have an issue down the road you'll at least know it's a known one. I was looking at them myself when they first came out but ended up going with Larrivee. As for the dealer he is waiting for the big move, etc. to see what happens before ordering anymore.
Like I said, I'm not saying it will or should happen, just a bit of a FYI.
holly
Quote from: Bruce Chiriani on January 14, 2009, 11:45:36 AM
For the record, all current Taylor GCs, whether pure acoustic or acoustic electric are short scale (24 7/8). All acoustic electrics feature a paddle headstock. In the pure acoustic line, the GC3 and GC4 have paddle heads, while the GC5-8 have slotted heads. The shortscale and/or slotted headstock can be custom ordered on any other standard model that doesn't already have these features. The various wood combo choices are consistent throughout the entire pure acoustic line, so the price and appointments remain the same regardless of the shape/size or wood combo you choose. Hope this helps...
Bruce--
How do you like your GC7? Is that spruce/rosewood?
DAVE
Quote from: strawintogold on January 14, 2009, 12:08:33 PM
I'm not tring to be a buzz kill but my local guy returned the first four of those he sold due to neck issues presented within the first year. They may have fixed it or maybe he got a bad batch, but if you have an issue down the road you'll at least know it's a known one. I was looking at them myself when they first came out but ended up going with Larrivee. As for the dealer he is waiting for the big move, etc. to see what happens before ordering anymore.
Like I said, I'm not saying it will or should happen, just a bit of a FYI.
holly
Yuck. Thanks for the heads up. I have one built in 2006 in the Tacoma Washington plant. If it was a bad batch then I may have sidestepped the issue, but if it was a design flaw then mine was very close to the first generation. :crying:
So far so good but it hasn't been that long that I've owned it.
Quote from: limnephilidae on January 14, 2009, 12:49:24 PM
Yuck. Thanks for the heads up. I have one built in 2006 in the Tacoma Washington plant. If it was a bad batch then I may have sidestepped the issue, but if it was a design flaw then mine was very close to the first generation. :crying:
So far so good but it hasn't been that long that I've owned it.
I don't mean to worry you, I even reconsidered posting. But then I thought I'd want to know (no I wouldn't, really, but still) just in case. The reason i found out is I was looking at one and my dealer wouldn't order one and told me why. It was if I recall correctly, four out of seven he ordered. This was maybe early Fall of last year but I don't know when he got them. I didn't realise they'd been out so long. Then I became a Larrivee cult member and forgot all about it.
That being said, if you are going to have an issue, it is one they know about. What was happening is the neck was, shoot, sort of twisting into an angle? Someone more guitar literate, feel free to jump in. It wasn't subtle. if I got one I'd have the problem, but you are probably fine,lol. I sort of recall a conversation about factories moving, etc. but I can't remember the details.
It sucked cause boy are they pretty. The bottom line is if it happens they will fix it. Sorry...
holly
That's why they use the bolt on neck...its easier to swap out the neck after it twists.....
Quote from: ncognito on January 14, 2009, 12:23:03 PM
Bruce--
How do you like your GC7? Is that spruce/rosewood?
DAVE
Love the GC7. Lots of volume despite its size - it actually competes well with my Larry and PGLTD, but nothing's as loud as my Cujo14. The shortscale makes it so easy to play! It's like taking a vacation from my other guitars when I use it. The GC7 has a cedar top with rosewood back and sides. The GC8 would be spruce/rosewood with identical appointments (and pricing).
Quote from: Bruce Chiriani on January 14, 2009, 05:38:01 PM
Love the GC7. Lots of volume despite its size - it actually competes well with my Larry and PGLTD, but nothing's as loud as my Cujo14. The shortscale makes it so easy to play! It's like taking a vacation from my other guitars when I use it. The GC7 has a cedar top with rosewood back and sides. The GC8 would be spruce/rosewood with identical appointments (and pricing).
Okay, the 7 is cedar, that's it.
A friend of mine also has the GC7; he's happy too, but who knows for how long. He has a revolving door policy with guitars, although he's been with the same woman for thirty years. She's nice; he's got his priorities straight.
DAVE
Forgive me if this has been mentioned in this post, but doesnt our very own Cowgirlie count as a star. She does in my book. Sorry for the duplication if its been mentioned before. JR
Quote from: John R on January 14, 2009, 07:21:13 PM
Forgive me if this has been mentioned in this post, but doesnt our very own Cowgirlie count as a star. She does in my book. Sorry for the duplication if its been mentioned before. JR
JR--
I don't think anyone will argue your claim, but I for one don't see the relevance of your post. Did I miss something?
DAVE
There just different not better not worse just different nothing more nothing less, if you love them jam on them if you hate get a Larry Martin or what ever. For me it's Larrivee or my Alhambra 11p classical. Go with what brings out the best in you.
Quote from: nayoud on January 11, 2009, 02:07:48 PM
I was just looking at some U tube vids, and it struck me that more musicians at both sides of the pond seem to play more Taylors than larrivees, actually I habent seen any stars play Larrivees (it could be my mistake). Any reason why?
I just sold my GS8 because it sounded very much like my L-19. I like the latter a bit more, So I kept my Larri.
:donut :donut :donut :donut :donut :donut :donut :donut
any comments
This, the very first post is what John R is talking about. Cowgirlie AKA Juni Fisher (http://www.junifisher.net/) plays Larrivee and she is a star, at least to some of us.
Roger--
Thanks for the clarification. I'm catching on now.
DAVE
My fault, I should have copied the original post. Sorry. Johnl
Quote from: ncognito on January 15, 2009, 12:58:28 PM
Roger--
Thanks for the clarification. I'm catching on now.
DAVE
No problem, it was 4 pages ago. :thumb
perhaps Taylor has better marketing & promos?
For sure each brand has it's own following
among famous & unknown musicians.
ricky
Quote from: rpm60912 on January 16, 2009, 03:24:48 AM
perhaps Taylor has better marketing & promos?
For sure each brand has it's own following
among famous & unknown musicians.
ricky
I remember their magazine ads as being very good -- superb photos and the right kind of independent-spirit folksiness. I certainly drooled over the catalogue in the early days when I was learning about acoustics .
I like 'em both, Taylors and Larrivees, and over the last year or so I've bought 5 Larrivees ( 000-50, LSV-11, OMV03-SP, Forum I OM-03MT, and a 00-50). All but the Forum I have gone on to new homes. Nothing wrong with any of them, I just have chronic GAS and the one that gets played the least is always the one to go to fund the next purchase. During the same time frame I have purchased 2 Taylors and have them both currently.
Taylors and Larrivees just have a different sound.
I kept the Forum I because the Larrivee all mahogany sound is, to my ear, the most mellow sound of any guitar I've ever played. The 1994 Taylor 612c quilted maple is just drop dead beautiful to my eye, and plays like only a mid 90's Taylor does. I recently bought a Taylor GC-5, Cedar/Mahogany, short scale, slothead. I wanted to try a small body Cedar/Mahogany and Larrivee doesn't do Cedar. I may or may not keep the CG-5.
To my hand the Taylor GC necks are pretty close to the same feel of the Larrivee necks (1 3/4), the other Taylor necks seem more chunky to me. The 90's Taylor necks (pre-NT) are a lot slimmer (faster) thank either, and are a joy to play. I cannot, however, "feel" any difference between the bolt-on Taylors and the dovetail Larrivees.
I guess I'll have to agree with the earlier poster that I play what ever suites my mood and each of my guitars gets the nod depending on that mood.
Just my 2 cents.
Gary
Quote from: gary0319 on January 16, 2009, 09:36:10 AM
To my hand the Taylor GC necks are pretty close to the same feel of the Larrivee necks (1 3/4), the other Taylor necks seem more chunky to me. The 90's Taylor necks (pre-NT) are a lot slimmer (faster) thank either, and are a joy to play. I cannot, however, "feel" any difference between the bolt-on Taylors and the dovetail Larrivees.
I agree, Gary. Taylor's necks have gotten a bit thicker over the years, mostly in response to those who thought that the 90s necks felt too much like those of electric guitars. My 2003 GA's neck is nowhere near as fast as my 1997 GA's neck, but I enjoy them both just the same. I do find my GC's neck to be a bit faster than my Larry OM's neck, but that could have more to do with the short scale than anything else.
I think marketing is the biggest factor and also how many music stores that carry both brands.Both are excellent guitars but wood for wood I would go with the Larrivee. I also think Larrivee is the best kept secret out there. Hey now there is a promotion for Larrrvee.
LARRIVEE GUITARS
THE BEST KEPT SECRET OUT THERE
I agree that the Tayor Marketing is a big factor. But, I also think Taylor's offering of more wood/body combinations allows the Taylor line to appeal to a wider market. IMHO, Larrivee is hard to beat for a Mahogany/Sitka guitar of any size, but if you want an Engleman or Cedar top you'll have to look elsewhere, and if you think you really need a cutaway body style, you are pretty limited with Larrivee.
That said, Taylor is a much larger company and can (perhaps must) deliver a larger product offering.
Gary
Quote from: timmymac on January 16, 2009, 02:36:56 PM
I think marketing is the biggest factor and also how many music stores that carry both brands.Both are excellent guitars but wood for wood I would go with the Larrivee. I also think Larrivee is the best kept secret out there. Hey now there is a promotion for Larrrvee.
LARRIVEE GUITARS
THE BEST KEPT SECRET OUT THERE
and may I add... until the recent price hike, THE BEST BANG FOR THE BUCK.
I believe it still is - even with the price hike.
The used Larrivee market, though more limited in number, is even better - quite a bargain I mean for the quality guitars the Larrivee brand is
(terrible English structure - pardon me).
ricky
Quote from: hadden on January 16, 2009, 08:25:37 AM
I remember their magazine ads as being very good -- superb photos and the right kind of independent-spirit folksiness. I certainly drooled over the catalogue in the early days when I was learning about acoustics .
I still drool over them catalogues and newsletters from Taylor.
Any acoustic guitar fan I'm sure takes pleasure in looking and looking and looking at eye candy... :drool: (swallow) ---- sorry !!!
I'm just so thankful there's no charge for looking !!!
ricky
BTW --- I prefer the way Larrivee does the back of their gits - they look like one piece - amazing !!!
Quote from: rpm60912 on January 16, 2009, 03:31:16 PM
BTW --- I prefer the way Larrivee does the back of their gits - they look like one piece - amazing !!!
You catch people who don't know saying "one piece back" as a selling point sometimes -- the join is so well done.
I believe most musicians would play larrivee more often given the opportunity for it's endorsement. I'm no expert but i would tend to think Taylor purposely markets to famous musicians and get them endorsed for their product than jean larrivee. from what i understand he makes a tremendous guitar which he could charge 3 times as much available to the working stiffs. I think in terms of both guitars you probably end up with more consistent tone with the larrivee than you would with the Taylor. i say that who knows i may end up with a Taylor before it's said and done with.
To sum it up, they're both great production guitars. Larrivee builds the best guitar for the buck, and Taylor offers more options, especially with its build-to-order program.
Quote from: inner_fire79 on January 16, 2009, 04:15:06 PM
I believe most musicians would play larrivee more often given the opportunity for it's endorsement. I'm no expert but i would tend to think Taylor purposely markets to famous musicians and get them endorsed for their product than jean larrivee.
I'm not sure either Larrivee or Taylor gets the famous to endorse their gits. At least, Bob Taylor or the Taylor website (don't remember which one) says that even the famous musicians or celebrities buy their gits. Of course, they go for maximum publicity when they have "Taylor citings" being played by the rich & famous.
I think JCL gets his satisfaction in making the best guitars in the business and making them affordable to the working folks.
ricky
I was reading "The Sounding Board" Martin's Magazine last night. There following letter was published on the third page:
Dear Mr. Martin-
I want to thank you for sending me this beautiful 000-18 Norman Blake Signature Model to play. Such a clever choice-I really love it.
Ever,
Mark Knopfler
Does that answer the question?
Right above it was a letter from George Grove (of the Kingston Trio) that in a subtle way suggests that it may have been "given" to him...
QuoteI still drool over them catalogues and newsletters from Taylor.
Any acoustic guitar fan I'm sure takes pleasure in looking and looking and looking at eye candy... (swallow) ---- sorry !!!
I'm just so thankful there's no charge for looking !!!
I too enjoy the eye candy.
I own a couple of Larrivees and a couple of Taylors and bunch of other brands...including an Ovation :whistling:
I love them all, they all bring something to the mix.
Quote from: nayoud on January 11, 2009, 02:07:48 PM
I was just looking at some U tube vids, and it struck me that more musicians at both sides of the pond seem to play more Taylors than larrivees, actually I habent seen any stars play Larrivees (it could be my mistake). Any reason why?
I just sold my GS8 because it sounded very much like my L-19. I like the latter a bit more, So I kept my Larri.
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i prefer the taylor. nothing wrong with larry,s but i prefer my taylor over the larry i had. sound wise and playability. my taylor plays like a electric .
In the interest of full disclosure, I have to confess that Jim Holler and I needle my son (who has a Taylor) whenever the three of us are in the same room. I love my two Larrivees but Taylor makes some great guitars too. Anyone (me included) unwilling to concede that point is doing themselves a disservice.
Yesterday my son and I went to a concert with Ernie Hawkins (playing his Gibson J-200) and Leo Kottke (playing his Taylor LKSM6 and LKSM12 Strings) and once I again, I never cease to be amazed. Ernie's playing was flawless but the music that Leo can pull out of a solo guitar is unbelievable. He closed with a song he has never recorded that he wrote on a six string but played on his 12 string. When I left the house to drive to Pittsburgh, it was 5 below zero and it was 23 degrees in Pittsburgh. I imagine it was colder in MN when he left Saturday morning but his guitars seemed to handle the temperature changes well.
Prior to the concert, my son and I visited Empire Music (Taylor and Martin Dealer) and they had custom models from both companies. You can check out their website at www.empiremusiconline.com and anyone within a five hour ride should check this place out. They have one of the nicest acoustic rooms I have ever been in (complete with three acoustic amps) and a wide selection of Martins and Taylors. The two nicest guitars I played included:
1) A Taylor GA with a redwood sinker top that had a killer sound to match the wood.
2) A custom Martin D-35 with maple binding and a center wedge on the three piece back of quilted maple.
The playability and tone on these two guitars was phenomenal but if I had brought one of them home, my son would be playing it at my funeral so I deferred especially since I already have two great 35 models that I would not part with under any circumstances for personal reasons.
Quote from: lyric_girl on January 11, 2009, 05:32:46 PM
Holly,
Check out Acoustic Guitar magazine. Recent issues including the current issue have had a print ad with Jessie Farrell playing an LV-09E.
Lots of archived ads (http://www.larrivee.com/5_features/archiveContent/magazineAds.html) at the Larrivee site
Here's my Favorite (http://www.larrivee.com/5_features/archiveContent/ads/2005/Long_version.swf)
Check out the Larrivee case in the background :drool:
Looks like the Escorts are pissed....
What?
holly
Does anyone remember the ad with the topless woman on the rock next to a Larrivee? I think was maybe from a European store.
Thats a drag. I was hoping Larrivee wasn't a boobs and guitar sort of company. Don't get me wrong, boobs are fine, I have two of them. But it's such a blatant appeal to the lowest common denominator. It also makes me feel like the guitar must be lacking if it needs boobs to represent it.
Same with a dealer site I visited, it was confusing. Are they selling guitars or soft porn? What does this half naked girl have to do with anything? It also looked awfully uncomfortable to be holding a guitar that way. Things could snag. The guy could offer me a $12 LSV 11 and I'd pass. No, really.
It's very much saying 'We don't think women have any consumer value for us." That's also why we don't buy Chevy or anything made by GM or AT&T.
holly
Quote from: strawintogold on January 18, 2009, 07:33:44 PM
Thats a drag. I was hoping Larrivee wasn't a boobs and guitar sort of company.
The ad I'm referring to wasn't put out by Larrivee(I don't think) but rather an online store or something. Maybe it was German, I can't remember it was a couple years ago.
Gotcha, so it was a dealer thing. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to censor anyone, I just am careful that where I put my money matches our values as a family. You can't imagine how relieved I was to find Larrivee wasn't made in China. Cause then it's the whole research extravaganza. And not cause they might be made of of lead.
holly
Edited: Sorry about the highjack, back to guitars.
I had read somewhere that Taylor made the GS body style to compete with Larrivee's L body. I had a GS8, which sounded nice, but could not compete with my L-10. I checked the body measurements of both & found that they were virtually the same (the GS being slightly larger). I ended up bringing back the Taylor & getting an OM-05. Satisfied my need for sound difference based on body size & wood. Taylor is one smart company & knows how to market their products well. I had my first Larrivee made for me in '93 & fell in love with them. I've had 5 Larrivee's since. They are the best bang for the buck & to most, the best kept secret !
Jeff :guitar
Quote from: BluesMan1 on January 18, 2009, 07:57:59 PM
I had read somewhere that Taylor made the GS body style to compete with Larrivee's L body. I had a GS8, which sounded nice, but could not compete with my L-10. I checked the body measurements of both & found that they were virtually the same (the GS being slightly larger). I ended up bringing back the Taylor & getting an OM-05. Satisfied my need for sound difference based on body size & wood. Taylor is one smart company & knows how to market their products well. I had my first Larrivee made for me in '93 & fell in love with them. I've had 5 Larrivee's since. They are the best bang for the buck & to most, the best kept secret !
Jeff :guitar
My friend's L-03R held its own against my GS Koa. I'm still hoping to buy this friend's L someday... soon.
Repetition for emphasis... let me quote Jeff and paste it here again.
Quote from: BluesMan1 on January 18, 2009, 07:57:59 PM
I had my first Larrivee made for me in '93 & fell in love with them. I've had 5 Larrivee's since. They are the best bang for the buck & to most, the best kept secret !
Could have said it myself.... only I don't have 5 Larris (yet :whistling:)
ricky
Best bang for the buck always sounds a bit backhanded when I hear it. Great guitars. Period.
Quote from: hadden on January 19, 2009, 08:07:07 AM
Best bang for the buck always sounds a bit backhanded when I hear it. Great guitars. Period.
I couldn't agree more. Besides, when you are tipping $1000 I think the expectation should be high. Perhaps what has happened in the price of more common brands has become an expected brand name driven inflation, while the quality has not increased and in some cases has declined.
If people demanded more for less, byo we could get the cost down across the board.
holly
Quote from: strawintogold on January 19, 2009, 08:17:46 AM
I couldn't agree more. Besides, when you are tipping $1000 I think the expectation should be high. Perhaps what has happened in the price of more common brands has become an expected brand name driven inflation, while the quality has not increased and in some cases has declined.
If people demanded more for less, byo we could get the cost down across the board.
holly
My Larrivee is every bit as good in terms of sound and playability as the handmades I've owned, each at least triple the price of the L.
Quote from: hadden on January 19, 2009, 08:41:39 AM
My Larrivee is every bit as good in terms of sound and playability as the handmades I've owned, each at least triple the price of the L.
:+1:
Quote from: hadden on January 19, 2009, 08:07:07 AM
Best bang for the buck always sounds a bit backhanded when I hear it. Great guitars. Period.
It's really not back-handed at all. My Larrivee OM10K is at the same high level of quality as my Taylor limted editions (although it's not my absolute favorite of the group); it does happen to cost much less than other brands with comparable appointments. Who needs a pricey Martin 41 or 42 series or a Taylor 900 series when you can own a Larrivee 10 series (plus wood bindings that the others don't have) for a fraction of the cost? If I were Jean Larrivee, I'd be proud to be the maker of the best guitar for the buck - that claim sets him apart from the other high end makers in and of itself. It's the same as calling an exceptional boxer the best pound-for-pound fighter across all classes.
Bravo Larrivee!
Quote from: Bruce Chiriani on January 19, 2009, 11:56:56 AM
It's really not back-handed at all. My Larrivee OM10K is at the same high level of quality as my Taylor limted editions (although it's not my absolute favorite of the group); it does happen to cost much less than other brands with comparable appointments. Who needs a pricey Martin 41 or 42 series or a Taylor 900 series when you can own a Larrivee 10 series (plus wood bindings that the others don't have) for a fraction of the cost? If I were Jean Larrivee, I'd be proud to be the maker of the best guitar for the buck - that claim sets him apart from the other high end makers in and of itself. It's the same as calling an exceptional boxer the best pound-for-pound fighter across all classes.
Bravo Larrivee!
The phrase can have a slightly negative connotation, as in, "if i had more money I could get something better but this is surprisingly good for what it is" -- I know most people around here don't mean it in that sense.
I had to sell a D-03r to partly pay for a $3200 git a few years ago before I'd gained some guitar wisdom -- even then though a little voice in the back of my head whispered sometimes while I was playing the new one, "the Larrivee was a better guitar -- you like it better -- you want it back...."
When I said best bang for the buck, I wasn't minimizing the fact that @ any price, Larrivees are fantastic guitars. You can interpret phrases many ways, just like using the word "virtually" to describe something. My L-10 is one of the top 3 guitars I've ever played; most who have played it said the same thing. My Flammang OM spruce/mahogany was one of the better ones. The top was made from some of that 100+ year old logs that were found floating around in Canada back in the early '90s. I paid $1800 for that one when David was just starting out (early to mid '90s). Now, you can't touch one of his new guitars for under $5000 ! My L-10 has been commented on so many times as souding like "one of the best gits they ever heard or played". Taylors are fine instruments also, but I agree that you have to play alot of them until you find that right one (unless you're a well known artist that Taylor wants on board). I find Larrivees more consistent & better balanced than most Taylors. I won't get into what guitars I've owned in the past, but it's been over 12 in the last 16 years (GAS). When my Forum III IS/HOG comes in, I think I'll be all set for life ! :smile:
Jeff :guitar
Quote from: BluesMan1 on January 19, 2009, 10:47:26 PM
When my Forum III IS/HOG comes in, I think I'll be all set for life ! :smile:
Jeff :guitar
An honorable sentiment BluesMan :winkin: I love the way we GASaholics leave the door just ever so slightly ajar, by the use of words like I "think" I'll be all set for life!!
Listen, there are far worse addictions than collecting and playing acoustic guitars. Some folks collect art, place it on the wall and enjoy staring at it!! I love owning guitars, staring at them, but mostly playing them :thumb
BTW, I share your excitement for the all Hog Forum 111 ~ can't wait :nanadance
~ Ray ~
Quote from: BluesMan1 on January 19, 2009, 10:47:26 PM
When I said best bang for the buck, I wasn't minimizing the fact that @ any price, Larrivees are fantastic guitars. You can interpret phrases many ways, just like using the word "virtually" to describe something. My L-10 is one of the top 3 guitars I've ever played; most who have played it said the same thing. My Flammang OM spruce/mahogany was one of the better ones. The top was made from some of that 100+ year old logs that were found floating around in Canada back in the early '90s. I paid $1800 for that one when David was just starting out (early to mid '90s). Now, you can't touch one of his new guitars for under $5000 ! My L-10 has been commented on so many times as souding like "one of the best gits they ever heard or played". Taylors are fine instruments also, but I agree that you have to play alot of them until you find that right one (unless you're a well known artist that Taylor wants on board). I find Larrivees more consistent & better balanced than most Taylors. I won't get into what guitars I've owned in the past, but it's been over 12 in the last 16 years (GAS). When my Forum III IS/HOG comes in, I think I'll be all set for life ! :smile:
Jeff :guitar
You make an interesting point. I'm thinking of all the times that phrase has been used AFTER I tell someone how much it cost. So I'd imagine it could go either way. Or the idea that if something costs more it must be worth more.
holly
This video has me reconsidering the Taylor image... although it would be cooler if they were playing taped-up Gibsons:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhWlIwPu-ak
Most Taylors I pick up seem to lack a soul. Something about them seems really lifeless. However, I have played several 12 string Taylors that where astounding. Weird...
Quote from: jessz1 on January 21, 2009, 10:26:33 PM
Most Taylors I pick up seem to lack a soul. Something about them seems really lifeless. However, I have played several 12 string Taylors that where astounding. Weird...
I've heard that about the Taylor 12 strings being good. Never played one myself.
The best 12 string acoustic I ever played was a Taylor. When I bought my 1st Larrivee. I played every guitar at every music store in St. Louis under $2000. I didn't like any of them enough to buy. The guy at the store said to try a D03R. I had never heard of Larrivee. After 30 seconds, I asked how much, figuring it would be more than I could afford. When he told me under $900 with case( obviously several years ago!), I bought it on the spot. It is the best sounding guitar I have owned, and has made it onto several local recordings, it has never let me down. There was nothing wrong with any of the higher end guitars I played, they just didn't speak to me. I knew I would buy that D03R 10 seconds after I played it! jp
Quote from: jimmyp on January 22, 2009, 09:13:22 AM
The best 12 string acoustic I ever played was a Taylor. When I bought my 1st Larrivee. I played every guitar at every music store in St. Louis under $2000. I didn't like any of them enough to buy. The guy at the store said to try a D03R. I had never heard of Larrivee. After 30 seconds, I asked how much, figuring it would be more than I could afford. When he told me under $900 with case( obviously several years ago!), I bought it on the spot. It is the best sounding guitar I have owned, and has made it onto several local recordings, it has never let me down. There was nothing wrong with any of the higher end guitars I played, they just didn't speak to me. I knew I would buy that D03R 10 seconds after I played it! jp
The Larrivees always seem up front and ready to go, like a puppy pulling on the leash. They make a good first impression that way. A lot of guitars are sleepy and reluctant when I try them in the shops.
Most Taylors I pick up seem to lack a soul. Something about them seems really lifeless.
Perhaps the soul and lifelessness of the player may have had something to do with that . . . :whistling:
Quote from: Roman on January 22, 2009, 12:39:25 PM
Most Taylors I pick up seem to lack a soul. Something about them seems really lifeless.
Perhaps the soul and lifelessness of the player may have had something to do with that . . . :whistling:
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I like the sound of the Taylors I have played. But what I can't stand is the open-pore feeling on the neck of their cheaper axes (which are those that I can afford).
There was a Jars of Clay signature model offered a few years ago that I liked the sound of, but the neck felt like it was made from oak that was left unfilled.
-Scott
Holly- I sold my OM-03 to Jim, which I see is off his site, to make a payment for the forum III git (he must have sold it). My wife, who wears the pants in the house (as usual for all you unmarried guys!), told me outright that I had to maintain my current size of my collection. I had 8, now 7, but will be back up to 8 in the near future. That back door is always open, but I'll have to sell something to get something. I'm 51, so my GAS days are slowing down, just like me. Let me rephrase myself: when my forum git comes in, I'll be set. That leaves a little window open for the future ! :thumb
Jeff :guitar
QuoteMy wife, who wears the pants in the house (as usual for all you unmarried guys!), told me outright that I had to maintain my current size of my collection. I had 8, now 7, but will be back up to 8 in the near future
Where did you go wrong? get your pants back. :humour:
I'm really blessed, I have 12 guitars and my wife gets mad at me whenever I sell a guitar, she wants me to collect them.
QuoteI'm 51, so my GAS days are slowing down
I'm 56 and I'm just getting started! The kids have all left home and now we get to spend on our toys...I like it!
Quotewhen my forum git comes in, I'll be set.
NOT! There is no cure for G.A.S. And I'm glad.
Now, about that GA4 or Larrivee L-09 that I've been thinking about...
I want to add something that has not been mentioned to this point.
I think that Taylor got the jump on the other guitar companies in the area of offering a great pickup with any of the models.
I still think the Fishman Blender is the best all around useful pickup available. I am not a fan of the expression system.
So when you see your favorite star playing live, they are using the guitar that works the best on the stage.
Once you get into the area of amplifying your acoustic guitar and playing with a band, you have to have a sound that works.
rrgguitarman- you ARE blessed ! My wife can have the things she enjoys (diamonds,purses,etc.), but when it comes to my GAS, another story. Her favorite line is :"how are you going to play all of those?". I ask how she's going to carry all of those Coach purses. She's 4'10", the purses are up high in the closet, so I'm the one that gets them down (I'm 6'6"). Now I have a thought of how to deal with her! Since I have baseboard heat, I'm constantly wetting my Dampits & monitoring my hygrometers. Keeps me busy! I'm waiting for my Forum git patiently; my wife says if she hears the word guitar anymore, she'll scream! :wacko:
Jeff :guitar
As far as the Larrivee vs. Taylor thing, the bottom line is what sounds good to your ears. I find Taylors a little too bright for me. As I said before, you have to play alot of Taylors to get that "right" one. Larrivees, on the other hand, I find more balanced & consistent in their sound. I've been playing them for years & love them. I played a D-03 Ovangal Limited (100) & boy was that nice. Stepped up to my OM-05 instead, which is fantastic. I've had an OM-03SP, L-05, & a great J-09. Got GAS & went for other gits. Really regret it on the J-09 & L-05. Both were early to mid '90 models, so by now they would have sounded real sweet. :bgrin:
Taylors are great guitars, but like I said, I think it just depends on the person & the sound you're looking for.
Jeff :guitar
I agree. It's just depends how you like guitars to sound. I've heard some fingerpicked recorded Taylors that sound incredible, but I've never played one that grabbed me at all. I just don't like the sound of Taylor guitars. It's pretty simple, so I will never own a Taylor guitar. There are too many other six and 12-string guitars out there that I DO like, for me to worry about Taylors.
Quote from: BluesMan1 on January 27, 2009, 11:06:01 AM
rrgguitarman- you ARE blessed ! My wife can have the things she enjoys (diamonds,purses,etc.), but when it comes to my GAS, another story. Her favorite line is :"how are you going to play all of those?". I ask how she's going to carry all of those Coach purses. She's 4'10", the purses are up high in the closet, so I'm the one that gets them down (I'm 6'6"). Now I have a thought of how to deal with her! Since I have baseboard heat, I'm constantly wetting my Dampits & monitoring my hygrometers. Keeps me busy! I'm waiting for my Forum git patiently; my wife says if she hears the word guitar anymore, she'll scream! :wacko:
Jeff :guitar
Hey Bluesman1, I should add that my wife plays the piano, guitar, bongos (and all kinds of other little goodies we have around the house) and loves to sing with me whenever we get the time. I do have an advantage with my wife liking music as much as I do.
QuoteAs far as the Larrivee vs. Taylor thing, the bottom line is what sounds good to your ears
That really is the bottom line.
I don't own a Martin but, it is only because I've yet to find a Martin that I enjoy the sound of, not because I don't like Martins.
One of these days a Martin is bound to make it home with me.
rrgguitarman- like I said, you are lucky. My wife is stuck on old R&B & disco. Nothing wrong if that's what she likes. I'm more diverse; country to jazz fusion. I 'm into the instruments besides the music also. She's into music, just not my type. Sounds like a fun time around your house when it's music time ! :nanadance
Have Fun !
Jeff :guitar
Taylors are fine guitars. Thats why so many people own them. They do seem to market their guitars well, but all the marketing in the world can't make a nice guitar from a lousy one (Estaban?) Whether or not you like them is a matter of taste. :donut :donut2 :coffee :donut2 :donut :coffee
Quote from: balgit on January 28, 2009, 02:25:33 PM
Taylors are fine guitars. Thats why so many people own them. They do seem to market their guitars well, but all the marketing in the world can't make a nice guitar from a lousy one (Estaban?)
I read on the Taylor forum that Estaban at one point sold in three days as much as Taylor sells in one month. They sell a ton of those 'guitars' for sure. Many people own Estabans, they're not fine guitars. I wouldn't argue that Taylor's success in sales is evidence of high quality, just like I wouldn't with Brittney Spears or McDonald's fast food.
Quote from: jeremy3220 on January 28, 2009, 03:35:28 PM
I read on the Taylor forum that Estaban at one point sold in three days as much as Taylor sells in one month. They sell a ton of those 'guitars' for sure. Many people own Estabans, they're not fine guitars. I wouldn't argue that Taylor's success in sales is evidence of high quality, just like I wouldn't with Brittney Spears or McDonald's fast food.
You left out the last line of my post ,the one that says its a matter of taste. I guess you don't like Mcdonald's ,Britney Spears, and Taylor Guitars which is fine, but each of the three does appeal to some, and therefore its a matter of taste. (theres only one t in Britney) Have a donut :donut
Quote from: balgit on January 28, 2009, 03:46:35 PM
You left out the last line of my post
I wasn't concerned with that line or how many T's Brittttney has. I was only commenting that popularity is not evidence for quality.
my point was that its a matter of taste ...and thats what you left out ....a matter of taste is just that ...no right ..no wrong ...every body wins ..sometimes i don't articulate my opinion as well as i should ..... no harm ..no foul have 2 donuts :donut2 :donut
People- it's like I said before: it's all a matter of your taste & desire for "perfection" in sound. Every major guitar manufacture (or builders) will appeal to somebody. Does Taylor make a better souding guitar than the others ? Some will say yes, some will say no. I think Taylors popularity started small in Calif. & built to almost a frenzy with locals. As they got bigger & more well known, more people liked them. Some didn't. I've had 2 GS8's & decided that I didn't need another large bodied guitar (have an L-10), especially since my Larrivee L-10 blew them both away. Sure, it's older & bolder & has this sound you wouldn't believe. Would a Taylor 15 years old sound good too ? I'm sure, but I'm not convinced it would sound as good as mine (IMOP). You might play mine & not hear it the same way & prefer the Taylor. Bottom line : your taste & ears.
As far as Estaban guitars go, I personally think they're an embarrassment to the guitar community. You get what you pay for & think of all your getting for that price ! Don't mean to rain on anyone's parade, but again, your taste. Love those selling shows he has. Boy are they cool ! :wacko: Remember, just because someone studied under Segovia doesn't mean he make good guitars. I have never played a Larrivee that I didn't like something about it. Can't say the same about Taylors.
Hope I didn't sound like I was preaching; just trying to give my opinion with all I've picked up over the years ! :smile:
Jeff :guitar
I think Taylor make very attractive and 'cool' guitars, but I haven't played one that made me want to open my wallet. I think that they make some really nice 12 string guitars, but in my opinion Larrivee sounds and feels better to me. Taylor is a bigger company and can/has to afford more on promotion. They also got the 'package' together with their onboard electronics and I think this this attracts a lot of people for it's simplicity ... no need to worry about finding what pickup sounds best for that particular guitar - it's been taken care of. No knocks on Taylor from this corner, but Larrivee just sits better with me with it's tone, playability and the fact that it started in Canada. I also like the fact that the Larrivee family is involved and that the 2nd generation is and will be advancing the company for years to come - something I've admired with Martin.
To each their own and play whatever makes you happy.
John
John- I agree with you totally. I haven't found a Larrivee I didn't like. Can't say the same about Taylors. They have alot of hype & publicity involved. There are great Taylors out there (higher end models in my looking), but none I would buy over a Larrivee.
Jeff :guitar
I have no idea who Esteban is but now I'm compelled to check him out almost as much as the compulsion to examine the Recital Box. Everytime I hear that name I think of 'Welcome to Faantasy Island' and yeah, I know it's not that guy. Go figure.
holly
I think we should have an essay contest on the Off Topic thread. No joke, this contest was for real.
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Hmm, that was interesting. He used to play in during breaks at an air show and then 'mellow' guitar at the Hyatt. Sure seems ot be doing better now,lol. I don't understand what an overdirve button on a guitar is though.
Back to your program.
holly- he's a former student of Segovia's, around 60y/o, & a slick salesman. He's constantly on one of those shopping shows selling a package deal of: Cheap-a** guitar (also special editions!), amp, dvd's, strings, strap, & god knows what else he can throw in there. He has a backup band that plays with him. He's always dressed in black, normally with a fedora on his head, & constantly taking testimonials from callers (he probably pays them). He is hip in his talking & believe me, you don't want to touch one of his guitars. They fly out, according to the count sold shows. If you ever run into one of his selling shows, watch it. They are funny as all get-out !
And, in case it's your favorite song, he always plays "Unchained Melody" ! :humour:
How many of those black puffy shirts do you think he has? I just imagine this closet full of black puffy shirts. I was researching a bit more and was a little mortified to find that one of the complaints was the decals peel off. It's one thing to put your Strawberry Shortcake on your Hanna Montana guitar, but that's a bit much.
holly
holy- like I said, if you have a chance, check his shows out. You'll laugh like the penguin shots made me ! His big thing now are "GM" car guitars. The one I saw was a Corvette. Made me want to pick up the phone & order one ! If I recall, did you cancel your t.v. ? If so, have a friend check the cable guide; it will be an eye opener.
As far as those shirts, you could probably get one thrown in the package if you ask nice :humour:
Jeff :guitar
holly- I've never seen an overdrive on a guitar. They are normally on the amps & also called a "gain" control. Only Esteban knows the answer to that one. It seems that most of the people that call in don't know anything about guitars, except his. Some claim that their friends play it & it has to be wrestled out of their hands. Bottom line: garbage. You get what you pay for. :wacko:
Jeff :guitar